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What about a New Star Trek Series based on DS9?

Would this be something you'd be interested in watching?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 45.8%
  • No

    Votes: 10 41.7%
  • Yes with some minor changes

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Unsure/Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24

Praxius

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I've seen a recent poll asking whether or not DS9 should have continued beyond 7 seasons, possibly into an 8th or 9th......

I was going to reply in that, but figured that since my idea is going a bit out of the original topic discussion, I'd create a new topic:

How would you feel if a new Star Trek series was created based on Deep Space Nine?

Hypothetically in my mind, it would be worked on in the next year or two and aired in three.

My idea would be that it continues a number of years after DS9 ended, be about the same space station, and have some of the old cast come back, either as main characters or guest stars. By this time in the show, DS9 was heavily modified and upgraded, still looked like the old space station, but with more federation/bajoran technology implemented in the original Cardassian design.

It would start off with the basis that Kira was promoted or near retirement (either way, no longer command of the station) or that she was losing interest in commanding the station and wanted to head back to Bajor and settle down, so she has to re-staff the station and bring in new characters. During this time, Ben Sisko returns from the Prophets because his new task is now at hand. (Though Sisko wouldn't be a main character, but a re-occurring character from time to time in the show)

The basic plot I had in mind was that although the Cardassians originally revolted against the Dominion and helped save the Alpha Q, and everybody figured they turned a new leaf, after a few years of political struggle, they eventually revert back to their old ways, and after getting a hold of some Borg Technology, they become more of a threat then ever before. While they don't create their own "Collective" they use the technology to enhance their bodies, ships, weapons, etc.... and with this new found power, they feel they can finally take over Bajor, the Wormhole and the Alpha Quadrant all on their own. Seeing this opportunity, the Romulans side with the Cardassians and a new alliance is made, with them integrating Borg technology as well.

This new threat is what brings Sisko back, Kira remains on DS9 for a while still (maybe for the first two seasons, maybe more) a new cast/crew is introduced, and because of his past experience with DS9, fighting Cardassians and fighting the borg on the Enterprise D, O'Brien returns as well.

Bashir and Dax never left the Station, so they're still there, though by this time, Dax became Kira's first officer, and on occasion, Worf comes back to help out with getting the Klingons to assist defending DS9 on occasion, though relations are still tense between the Federation and the Klingons.

Later on in the series, the War doesn't go very well, so eventually Sisko presses Kira to try and contact Odo and get help from the Dominion in their struggle, which eventually brings up their past relationship and the conflicts that arise from not seeing one another for so long.... not to mention the conflicts of working side by side with the Jem'Hadar, whom by this time, Odo freed them from their addiction to the K'White and allowed them to create their own society, though their genetic design of seeing the Founders as Gods still remains.... but by this time, many have been questioning their God status and now no longer being controlled by K'White, they're expanding their own free will and ability to think for themselves, which makes many in the federation concerned because now these killing machines have less control over them.

And of course, Quark is still there, forever trying to keep his old habits and way of life afloat in a world where Nog is still Grand Nagus and screwed everything up to what Quark was born and raised in believing..... and the entire Ferengi society is in shambles/divided.

And before people mention the new Star Trek movie screwing up the timeline, this series could take place before all that occurred, in that I mean the series could end with the war coming to an end in the second last season because Romulus being in grave danger so they pull out of the war to figure out how to save their way of life.... and in the last season, it involves Spocks' attempt to save Romulus.... but Spock failed in his attempt and thus, Star Trek 2009 comes into play, with vengeful Romulans going back in time to destroy Vulcan and thus, the Federation.

All the while through the series, Sisko gives hints here and there about what all was going to happen..... like riddling what already has happened, but hasn't, what will happen but perhaps already did.... afterall, he's been out of the time line for so long now.

Thoughts?

Changes?
 
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Oh and the leader of the Cardassians would of course be Garak, whom once he got back home after the ending of DS9, became immersed in his own culture once again and gradually lost his federation mentality, brought back the obsidian order and in a confused & twisted state, attempted to build a Cardassian empire his father would be proud of.
 
No, I would not like to see the Cardassians returning to their old ways and getting even worse, nor would I like to see Garak as the one, who builds up such a society.

TerokNor
 
And before people mention the new Star Trek movie screwing up the timeline, this series could take place before all that occurred, in that I mean the series could end with the war coming to an end in the second last season because Romulus being in grave danger so they pull out of the war to figure out how to save their way of life.... and in the last season, it involves Spocks' attempt to save Romulus.... but Spock failed in his attempt and thus, Star Trek 2009 comes into play, with vengeful Romulans going back in time to destroy Vulcan and thus, the Federation.
What does Star Trek 2009 have to do it? It doesn't screw up the timeline, it can't - it takes place in an alternate universe created by Nero's incursion. The prime universe is still going on (but we know that Romulus' days are finished in 2387).

No, I would not like to see the Cardassians returning to their old ways and getting even worse, nor would I like to see Garak as the one, who builds up such a society.

TerokNor
Me neither. Why would you want to set all that development back? But I would love to see the turmoil on Cardassia during its difficult and painful recovery, with a conflict between the forces who want to build new and different society and those trying to rebuild the old one. I can't see Garak being in the later camp.

I don't like the idea of Kira leaving the station and going to live somewhere on Bajor, it doesn't seem in character.
 
No, I would not like to see the Cardassians returning to their old ways and getting even worse, nor would I like to see Garak as the one, who builds up such a society.

TerokNor

Well there's still room to change it so that it's just the Romulans with the Borg Tech..... that would still tie into the recent movie that came out with Nero's ship having Borg tech and being far more advanced then what we saw in Nemesis..... while the Cardassians are no longer the evil bad guys.

Switch it up so that the leader of the Romulan Empire is Senator Cretak whom bumped horns with Kira in the past....

like I said, it all can be changed around... I'm not stuck on one particular story layout.... this is more just for brain storming.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cretak
 
What does Star Trek 2009 have to do it? It doesn't screw up the timeline, it can't - it takes place in an alternate universe created by Nero's incursion. The prime universe is still going on (but we know that Romulus' days are finished in 2387)...

Well that time line was still created by this timeline I was continuing this idea off of.... imo, there was just so much left out of the story between Voyager and ST2009... imo this would put it all together.

... Me neither. Why would you want to set all that development back? But I would love to see the turmoil on Cardassia during its difficult and painful recovery, with a conflict between the forces who want to build new and different society and those trying to rebuild the old one. I can't see Garak being in the later camp.

I don't like the idea of Kira leaving the station and going to live somewhere on Bajor, it doesn't seem in character.

Well like I said.... after a few years, Kira was planning on leaving (for whatever reason, it's not yet determined.... possibly her faith was faltering due to Sisko being gone for so long) but things change and with the new conflict and Sisko's return, she remains on the station. I suggested she'd only stay on the station for the first couple of seasons because in my mind, I don't know if the original actors would be up for another 7 full seasons of filming..... that's all.
 
Well like I said.... after a few years, Kira was planning on leaving (for whatever reason, it's not yet determined.... possibly her faith was faltering due to Sisko being gone for so long) but things change and with the new conflict and Sisko's return, she remains on the station. I suggested she'd only stay on the station for the first couple of seasons because in my mind, I don't know if the original actors would be up for another 7 full seasons of filming..... that's all.
Why would you think that Visitor would be less inclined to reprise her role for 7 seasons than Brooks or Siddig or De Boer or anyone? From all the interviews I've read, she absolutely loved working on DS9, was completely dedicated to the role, considers it a most amazing time in her life, and compares meeting her co-stars at cons to high school and college reunions... and it's not like she's been incredibly busy with acting since "Wildfire" ended.
 
The after war Cardassia and its recovery, yes, that I would LOVE to see as well.

Or something like a mini serie, that shows the universe not out of human eyes, but with episodes on the different planets and other alien starships, showing us more of the other cultures. Only Cardassia would be fine for me ( maybe something like "The Galor" on the search for new planets for feeding Cardassia*g* and with Gil Damar in the main crew and a guest role for Obsidian Order Agend Garak) but as their are people who like Klingons, Romulans and such, it would be fairer to have episodes for each culture.
One could even take known events, that we have seen though human/ Federation eyes and then change the perspective to the other aliens and how they lived their life on their starships.


Borg technology... hm... I would not like to see the technology in the hands of anybody, be it Cardassians or Romulans. Actually I would not like to see too much of the Borg again in Star Trek really.

TerokNor
 
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Re: What about a New Star Trek Series based AT DS9?

Use: New Voyager, Ent, Defiant and have them based at DS9 because the Dominion just rebelled against Odo and the Romulans just found out about Sisko's deceit.
 
Let's make a dramatic assumption for a moment here, that CBS would even be interested in another Trek series within the next ten years, let alone interested in following up on something that, while it has plenty of tough, unstoppable fans, isn't a familiar field with the mainstream audience it must cater to.

There are some interesting ideas in Praxius' opening statement, but I must echo the words of other posters in adamantly denying a Cardassian 180 with Garak at the helm of a new onslaught. To do so would diminish the impact of what many consider the best aspect of DS9's finale arc: the Cardassian turnabout and Damar's genuinely powerful, satisfying revolution. (Even if budgetary concerns made for a less-than-stellar march on Headquarters.)
 
Yeah of course I'd be up for it. I'd love to see the old characters again, for a TV movie or something else.

But sadly if there is a new Star Trek series, i think they will try and make it some "hip, young" type of show, with all "cool" actors from CSI and Lost, and it will stink.

I just dont think there is room for a "traditional" Trek in 2010, the idea burned itself out imo.
 
I'm of the opinion that a younger-skewed cast doesn't necessarily bar the show from being at least passable. Look at Battlestar Galactica... if they can keep the cast in that range, they can cater to all sorts of people. Going from a very blunt, at-the-start kind of perspective (AKA casting sheets):

You've got the stage presence of Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell, James Callis for humor, Tricia Helfer for T&A (take no offense to this, please; she's a terrific actress with some very complex characters, but we're looking at this from an audience-grabbing perspective), and Jamie Bamber, Katee Sackhoff and Grace Park for youth-catchers. And that's just the Big Seven. There are plenty of examples of demo-grabs all throughout the cast.

Technically, I think Star Trek: Voyager was going for this at the outset, too. Kate Mulgrew and Robert Beltran were in their upper 30s, I think, and Robert Picardo must have been around there as well. But look at Garrett Wang and Roxann Dawson for good examples: their characters were, at the start of the show, younger than I am now. Their actors weren't much older than that.

What I'm getting at is, while it's certainly likely there might be an increased youth-skew involved, that doesn't automatically mean it's going to be 'Star Trek 90210' or anything. We might be pleasantly surprised despite a rather unbelievably large portion of the cast being in their 20s.

I'm still debating on whether to consider Stargate Universe a good or bad example of what I'm saying, but that's another topic altogether...
 
I'm of the opinion that a younger-skewed cast doesn't necessarily bar the show from being at least passable. Look at Battlestar Galactica... if they can keep the cast in that range, they can cater to all sorts of people. Going from a very blunt, at-the-start kind of perspective (AKA casting sheets):

You've got the stage presence of Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell, James Callis for humor, Tricia Helfer for T&A (take no offense to this, please; she's a terrific actress with some very complex characters, but we're looking at this from an audience-grabbing perspective), and Jamie Bamber, Katee Sackhoff and Grace Park for youth-catchers. And that's just the Big Seven. There are plenty of examples of demo-grabs all throughout the cast.

Technically, I think Star Trek: Voyager was going for this at the outset, too. Kate Mulgrew and Robert Beltran were in their upper 30s, I think, and Robert Picardo must have been around there as well. But look at Garrett Wang and Roxann Dawson for good examples: their characters were, at the start of the show, younger than I am now. Their actors weren't much older than that.

What I'm getting at is, while it's certainly likely there might be an increased youth-skew involved, that doesn't automatically mean it's going to be 'Star Trek 90210' or anything. We might be pleasantly surprised despite a rather unbelievably large portion of the cast being in their 20s.

I'm still debating on whether to consider Stargate Universe a good or bad example of what I'm saying, but that's another topic altogether...


I always thought Beltran and Mulgrew were early 40's at the start of the show, but I see what you mean.

I dont have a problem with young actors, i just like a full demographic.

Ds9 had this

Odo 50?
Sisko 45?
Kira 36?
Dax 28?
Bashir 28?
O'Brian 45?
Jake 14?

Those are my estimates for the characters at the start of the show

so there was a good range there
 
I'm of the opinion that a younger-skewed cast doesn't necessarily bar the show from being at least passable. Look at Battlestar Galactica... if they can keep the cast in that range, they can cater to all sorts of people. Going from a very blunt, at-the-start kind of perspective (AKA casting sheets):

You've got the stage presence of Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell, James Callis for humor, Tricia Helfer for T&A (take no offense to this, please; she's a terrific actress with some very complex characters, but we're looking at this from an audience-grabbing perspective), and Jamie Bamber, Katee Sackhoff and Grace Park for youth-catchers. And that's just the Big Seven. There are plenty of examples of demo-grabs all throughout the cast.

Technically, I think Star Trek: Voyager was going for this at the outset, too. Kate Mulgrew and Robert Beltran were in their upper 30s, I think, and Robert Picardo must have been around there as well. But look at Garrett Wang and Roxann Dawson for good examples: their characters were, at the start of the show, younger than I am now. Their actors weren't much older than that.

What I'm getting at is, while it's certainly likely there might be an increased youth-skew involved, that doesn't automatically mean it's going to be 'Star Trek 90210' or anything. We might be pleasantly surprised despite a rather unbelievably large portion of the cast being in their 20s.

I'm still debating on whether to consider Stargate Universe a good or bad example of what I'm saying, but that's another topic altogether...


I always thought Beltran and Mulgrew were early 40's at the start of the show, but I see what you mean.

I dont have a problem with young actors, i just like a full demographic.

Ds9 had this

Odo 50?
Sisko 45?
Kira 36?
Dax 28?
Bashir 28?
O'Brian 45?
Jake 14?

Those are my estimates for the characters at the start of the show

so there was a good range there
Rene Auberjonois was 53 and Colm Meaney was 40, but overall you're very close. And Armin Shimerman, not mentioned, was 44. The recurring cast also pushes the average age a bit higher. This, however, does not exactly translate to their characters' ages, which are in some cases higher and in some lower... due to plot devices or alien biology, or the makeup which renders age a moot point (In real life, "Rom" was much younger than his character in fact just a few years older than his "son", who was in his mid-20s but playing a teenage Ferengi.) And Sisko was meant to be in his late 30s.

VOY cast at the start of the show (January 1995):
Kate Mulgrew - 39
Robert Beltran - 41
Robert Picardo - 41
Tim Russ - 38
Roxann Dawson - 34
Robert Duncan McNeill - 30
Ethan Phillips - turning 40
Garett Wang - 34
Jennifer Lien - 20

Yeah of course I'd be up for it. I'd love to see the old characters again, for a TV movie or something else.

But sadly if there is a new Star Trek series, i think they will try and make it some "hip, young" type of show, with all "cool" actors from CSI and Lost, and it will stink.

I just dont think there is room for a "traditional" Trek in 2010, the idea burned itself out imo.
Now, I don't watch CSI, but... "Young" type of show with actors from Lost?

Current ages of Lost principal cast:

Matthew Fox - 44
Josh Holloway - 41
Terry O'Quinn - 58
Michael Emerson - 55
Evangeline Lilly - 31
Jorge Garcia - 37
Naveen Andrews - 41
Daniel Dae Kim - 42
Yunjin Kim - 37
Henry Ian Cusick - 43
Elizabeth Mitchell - 40
Dominic Monaghan - 34
Emilie De Ravin - 29
Harold Perineau - 47
Ken Leung - 40
Jeremy Davies - 40
Nestor Carbonell - 43
Rebecca Mader - 31
Michelle Rodriguez - 32 (killed off in S2, never was very popular)
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje - 43
Cynthia Watros - 41
Jeff Fahey - 57
Ian Somerhalder - 31
Maggie Grace - 26
(the last 2 haven't been on the show since S1/2 and were never among the most popular characters, which is why they were first to be killed off)
 
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I could probably get into a DS9 continuation of some sort, but honestly I'm a huge Damar fan so unless he's cloned and brought back to life, my interest would depend largely on other aspects such as the rebuilding of Cardassia or whatnot.
 
Yep, though when contuing DS9 and even with Damar dead, there would be a way to see Damar again. Memories... he surly would get mentioned now and again by the Cardassians or even Kira... there could be an episode that sort of shows Damar in the other memories...or the Orb of Time, they could travel back in time and learn a bit about who Damar was. :D Ok...highly unlikly and only interessting for Damar fans...but one can dream.
Though if the series would play in 2360/ 65 for example, we could see young soldier Damar again. That would be really nice! But I know also highly unlikly. Though really now, would no one be interessted in a Star Trek series based on an alien point of view?

TerokNor
 
For me, I don't know about the alien point of view.... all the time.... a few episodes here and there could be good, but all the time could be a little much.

To explain a bit about my reasoning of putting Garak as the bad guy who starts everything back up..... I was thinking that this would happen more so to show just how devious and skilled Garak really was, where in DS9, it was mostly just hints and small examples...... he wouldn't be the bad guy all the time (Garak was one of my favorite characters) but would have eventually leaned towards a Damar awakening, where say in a few seasons after the start, he'd start to find his old DS9 self and start to correct his ways, which also resulted in helping to end the war. Part of the reason why he went back to his old ways was during the reconstruction of the Cardassian Empire, he was surrounded by fellow citizens who grew to partly blame the Federation and Klingons for what happened to them in the first place and also that they felt that the Federation wasn't doing enough to help them rebuild their homeworld..... where they obtained some critical borg tech to rebuild their empire back to its former glory.

To think the Cardassians would simply drop their old ways at the snap of a finger after centuries of being the way they were without a few bumps in the road along the way, for me just wouldn't seem realistic, story-wise.... if that makes any sense.

It wouldn't be a black and white story of the Cardassians going evil and superior again, there'd be sympathy for what they were going through and perhaps played out where the viewer can relate to what they're going through, unlike when we were first introduced to the Cardassians in TNG, where they just talked about what they went through.... it's one thing being told something, it's another to actually see it unfold and witness it.

And because of this, it could be very possible to do what you were wanting, TerokNor.... in that in order to help the viewer relate to the Cardassians, more of the story would be based on Cardassia then what was done originally on DS9.... thus getting more of their point of view in many episodes.... and it could shift back and forth between the Federation/DS9 and Cardassia/Romulans.

Which brings up another thing that bugged me about Star Trek in the past..... there was never much detail given on the Romulans' way of life either.... more focus on both the Romulans and Cardassians could be a good thing.

Some flashbacks of Damar's past sounds pretty interesting..... or better yet, in an episode, some Cardassians bring Damar back from the alternate universe to help them unite the Cardassian people again, which Damar accepts since the Alliance in the alternate universe was defeated and he longs for the days of power again..... though this probably would put a dent in his good guy image for the Damar fans, but perhaps later on in the overall story, he begins to read up on his counter part and gradually sees what he did for his people, which ignites a new way of looking at the world in this alternate Damar.

In regards to DevilEyes question towards the Actor's interests in working in the show and cutting them off after a few seasons.... my only reasoning was based on Visitor's interview where she said she'd love to get back to the show and the role of Kira.... but she also noted the long hours and the amount of time it takes from your life..... it can be strenuous to do that for another seven years straight after so long..... if she or other original actors were up to doing a full 7 seasons, sure... keep them on till the end.... but I'm also foreseeing the possibility that eventually one or two actors might eventually have enough after a few seasons, thus that possibility should be considered.

Like I said, this is more or less just for brain storming and giving everybody else an opportunity to work off of this basic concept for the fun of it and to share their views on what kind of DS9 continuation they'd like to see.

Sure it might not exactly suit the general population of tv viewers.... but when did Star Trek ever suit the general population?

And in regards to new characters/actors being brought into this idea of a new series, that was more to fill in some of the spots that no longer have the main characters on DS9, like Worf's tactical officer position, Odo's chief of security position, etc. Worf and Odo would still be in the show... just no longer in those positions.

I wasn't thinking of pulling some 90210 or Degrassi High: TNG stunt.... that's just bad medicine.
 
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I can't say I found much I liked about your plot for the "new show". DS9 has had its run and I'm fine with that, it is time for others to lead Star Trek into the future and while I was less than thrilled by Star Trek 2009, it doesn't mean that a show based off that movie/timeline can't be done that could be as good, if not better than DS9.
 
A Damar from alternate universe? Hmm, yeah why not, sounds good, as long as the personality is well rounded and fitting and interessting.
Thought still... Garak does not need a similar story arc, that Damar had... he walked the arc with Damar and therefore (and because he lived so long with humans and co) also had already some sort of awakening himself.

TerokNor
 
A Damar from alternate universe? Hmm, yeah why not, sounds good, as long as the personality is well rounded and fitting and interessting.
Thought still... Garak does not need a similar story arc, that Damar had... he walked the arc with Damar and therefore (and because he lived so long with humans and co) also had already some sort of awakening himself.

TerokNor

True enough, I'd just like to see Garak play a bigger role then he did on DS9..... I also had the idea that since I had the idea of Sisko returning, eventually so would Dukat.... how or in what form, I dunno yet.... but it'd be cool to see Dukat pop in from time to time.
 
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