Seen the same thing myself.
We're getting...OLD
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Seen the same thing myself.
i think you could place the blame squarely on the educational system. they teach kid's nothing of value these day's.
I still have Happy Meals boxes from STTMP. Hey, who just called me a nerd?!
Anytime I mention ST to anyone at work (or anywhere else) I almost always get rather loud remarks about how they cannot stand the TOS and how much they think it is laughable. I don't think they even get the content of the episodes or the thinly veiled social message that they were trying to convey. They don't seem to be able to get past the 50 year old special effects or the sets. Even with plastic jell buttons and plywood, the Enterprise bridge looked pretty darn sensational in 1967. Even though I have to admit that it looks a little dated now, I still think it looks pretty good. When today's viewers watch an old episode of I Love Lucy or The Andy Griffith show, they don't seem to be bothered by the things that are obviously dated those shows (like the painted backdrop when they opened the door on Andy Griffith, for example). They overlook those things and cut them some slack because they were produced in the 50's. They don't seem to give that same consideration to Trek, for some reason. I guess that's true of sci-fi in general. If they would actually watch the episodes and catch the message they were trying to convey, then they would realize that Trek was never about fx, it is about people.
Anytime I mention ST to anyone at work (or anywhere else) I almost always get rather loud remarks about how they cannot stand the TOS and how much they think it is laughable. I don't think they even get the content of the episodes or the thinly veiled social message that they were trying to convey. They don't seem to be able to get past the 50 year old special effects or the sets. Even with plastic jell buttons and plywood, the Enterprise bridge looked pretty darn sensational in 1967. Even though I have to admit that it looks a little dated now, I still think it looks pretty good. When today's viewers watch an old episode of I Love Lucy or The Andy Griffith show, they don't seem to be bothered by the things that are obviously dated those shows (like the painted backdrop when they opened the door on Andy Griffith, for example). They overlook those things and cut them some slack because they were produced in the 50's. They don't seem to give that same consideration to Trek, for some reason. I guess that's true of sci-fi in general. If they would actually watch the episodes and catch the message they were trying to convey, then they would realize that Trek was never about fx, it is about people.
if it makes you feel better, people are still joining the TOS party 40 years later. how many other 40-yr-old shows can say that? i myself finally watched all three seasons (except The Cage, grumble grumble) via cbs.com for free (i'd previously only seen a handful of episodes over the years, few and far between, and was obviously not instantly hooked). probably my favourite of all the series, and easily the most rewatchable (i say that now, having seen the other series countless times). but really, probably the most rewatchable, esp since i haven't seen TOS-R yet. TOS is a simpler trek, and yet at the same time, meant for the more mature trek fans.
While TOS was originally a show people grew up with, I think it is now more of a show that people grow into. At least, that's been my experience. and yes, you can quote me on that
While TOS was originally a show people grew up with, I think it is now more of a show that people grow into. At least, that's been my experience. and yes, you can quote me on that
I was a child when TOS aired and remember watching it on our old Zenith B&W. All my memorys of Star trek began there. Perhaps this is why myself and so many others are relunctant to embrace this new movie. It changes our memorys. It will never be "Star Trek" to most of us. It may be a great movie but not "our trek".
Please take this affectionately, but you all sound like a bunch of grumpy, old men; and I am not young. It doesn't make sense that suddenly kids' intelligence and creativity disappear.
It's going somewhere else, and you guys just don't know where, if you'll please pardon my saying so. No generation I've seen hangs on much to the parents' world; they make their own. From what I've seen in my life, by the time they're 30, they'll know how to communicate with their parents; at this point, they do a great job of communicating with each other. Human kids take the longest of any species to mature.
If there is any finger pointing to be had, it can be aimed straight at the parents; just like the so-called Greatest Generation raised the Boomers, the Boomers and X'rs and Y'rs can all stand accused.
Closing in on half a century here... and am happy that everything old is new again, or will be, with the new movie.
May it live long and prosper at the box, although nothing will take the place of Kirk, Spock, Bones, et. al.
May it live long and prosper at the box, although nothing will take the place of Kirk, Spock, Bones, et. al.
Nope, their tastes and opinions differ from baby boomers. That's all.
I deal with young folks on an ongoing basis IRL. People who put them down as a group just are too set in their own ways to see the forest for the trees - just as our parents were in middle age.
Terrible thing, to get old.
When you're old enough to remember the Dinky Toys die-cast ships from the very first movie on store shelves and pegs along with ST:TMP Silly Putty eggs in movie packaging? You're old enough.
When you're old enough to remember the disc-shooting "phaser" toys on the shelves at the Woolworth's, then you're old enough.
When you're old enough to remember the Dinky Toys die-cast ships from the very first movie on store shelves and pegs along with ST:TMP Silly Putty eggs in movie packaging? You're old enough.
When you're old enough to remember the disc-shooting "phaser" toys on the shelves at the Woolworth's, then you're old enough.
I owned one.
Along with the little toy tricorder that came out about the same time!
It's not 'getting old' which I resent, really (hell, I'm 37, I'm not OLD!). It's the idea that since I'm not a teen/college-student, everything that I've liked ever needs to be erased and done over for new audiences. I've been thinking about it, and there isn't a single property that I grew up liking that hasn't been 'reinvisioned' in some way for a target audience that I'm very pointedly not a member of.
Honestly, I shouldn't be feeling, at my age, that I should 'sod off and die', yet that's pretty much what all this 'reboot' stuff, including Trek, is effectively telling me.
Honestly, I shouldn't be feeling, at my age, that I should 'sod off and die', yet that's pretty much what all this 'reboot' stuff, including Trek, is effectively telling me.
When you're old enough to remember the Dinky Toys die-cast ships from the very first movie on store shelves and pegs along with ST:TMP Silly Putty eggs in movie packaging? You're old enough.
When you're old enough to remember the disc-shooting "phaser" toys on the shelves at the Woolworth's, then you're old enough.
I owned one.
Along with the little toy tricorder that came out about the same time!
Had the gun (which would never get sold or approved these days in fear of some moron choking on a disc or two).
Don't remember the tricorder toy at all. Was that part of the Mego stuff that came out? Then I turn 47 in the next forty-eight hours or so, so obviously my mind has started to go.
I do remember when the Blish books started to appear and how cool I thought that was to have the epsidoes written down. Being the pre-VHS era, my friends and I had tried to audio tape episodes (by holding a tape recorder up to the the tee-vee speaker) with very mixed results, so these books were very welcome.
You're Absolutely Right(TM), of course.
Believe me, it's tiresome to listen to some people my age grouse about kids. IRL, Boomers in general - and a lot of the grousers in particular - have not set any kind of standard relative to our own parents' generation that gives us much standing. I think a lot of us resent the fact that we're being pushed off the stage that we dominated for s-o-o-o long.
When you're old enough to remember the disc-shooting "phaser" toys on the shelves at the Woolworth's, then you're old enough.
I owned one.
Along with the little toy tricorder that came out about the same time!
Had the gun (which would never get sold or approved these days in fear of some moron choking on a disc or two).
Don't remember the tricorder toy at all. Was that part of the Mego stuff that came out? Then I turn 47 in the next forty-eight hours or so, so obviously my mind has started to go.
I do remember when the Blish books started to appear and how cool I thought that was to have the epsidoes written down. Being the pre-VHS era, my friends and I had tried to audio tape episodes (by holding a tape recorder up to the the tee-vee speaker) with very mixed results, so these books were very welcome.
I also own the 1976 Dinky Toys Enterprise with the little orange shuttlecraft you store in the little compartment underneath the engineering section. The one that fired little yellow discs as torpedoes out of the saucer.
Ya know what it feels like.... when we were teenagers, everything seemed to be oriented toward the world of people in their 40s. Now that we're there and the world is supposed to be about us, suddenly somebody shifted the focus to teenagers.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I'll tell you what's really making me feel old right now, though. The president of the US (well, in about six weeks) is only four months older than I am. the president has always been a grown-up much older than i am. The president can't possibly by my age, for god's sake! What's this world coming to.
Obama's only 13-1/2 years my senior. My chemistry teacher in my senior year of high school is several months older than he is, and she looked she could barely be older than a college freshman when she taught me.
THAT is something that reminds me I'm no longer a fresh-faced kid.
THAT is something that reminds me I'm no longer a fresh-faced kid.
For me it isn't that TOS is getting old, is old. For me it's the fans I knew when I was young who are now no longer with us. I thought of them as the old guard back then. Now, that's what I'm becoming. I find it quite off-putting, actually. Every year there is someone who has passed away.
I remember when walkie talkies were almost as big a Christmas present as getting an Atari 2600 or Colecovision system.
