We made the Cestus III run in 500 Parsecs

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by DanGussin, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The problem with "The Cage" isn't just absolute but also relative, which is sorta worse because it means the episode contradicts itself.

    If Pike came across a great distance, then necessarily so did the Columbia. And if the distance truly is galactic, and nevertheless the Columbia can cross it without being generational (ship's records listing Vina rather rule that out) or using cryosleep or anything, then every distance in this Star Trek universe is trivial and

    a) Tyler's boast about his ship being faster wouldn't really make any difference to the supposed Haskins and his folks, relatively speaking
    b) Starfleet failing to check out on missing ships ASAP makes no sense if it only ever involves two days of work, tops
    c) or alternately, if b doesn't happen because Earth ships are few and far in between, two of them ending up in the same place becomes flat out impossible when the playground involved is galaxy-wide.

    Pike telling his captors a whopper would appear fitting, though.

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  2. Steven P Bastien

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    I didn't laugh at it, but I don't mean that they are great or good. I just feel that it is better than the original in this particular episode. I looked at what I wrote and see I did not actually convey my meaning well. For me, understanding the relationship of the 2 ships and the machine and how they move relative to each other is important in this episode, and I get a better sense of all that with the new version. I could draw an analogy to the props in a stage production of Hamlet or other play. The backdrops might be very unrealistic but they just convey critical information to help understand the story.
     
  3. Steven P Bastien

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    Actually, I agree. When I look back at what I wrote, I see my message was not clear and I made it sound like the special effects is what I was commenting about. I was really trying to say that the relative location and motion is important and effects that make that clearer are more important, at least for me.

    So, my opinion is that, ideally, I would of course want the numbers correct. But, if I had to choose, the relative positions and motions are more important for me to understand what is happening. I can mentally correct the incorrect large distances. For example, the ship is thrown far away and it's going to take a while to get back.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    Just gonna leave this monkey wrench in Talos IV speculations, from "The Menagerie". Guessing whoever came up with this thought they were hopping galaxies?
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  5. Timo

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    One and the same galaxy, I presume. It has a south, surely it also has a spring?

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  6. uniderth

    uniderth Commodore Commodore

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    That could have been the thread I read that convinced me.


    My thoughts are that the area of the galaxy that is considered vernal is probably the region near Rigel that also contains some of the stars in Orion. This area has a lot of young stars and nebulae, so perhaps it is considered "springlike" becasue of this.

    A lot of this was discussed in this thread here:
    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-was-pike-headed-for-vega.298579/
     
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  7. Vger23

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    Let's not touch it.



    At all.
     
  8. Timo

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    Yes, let's concentrate on the phagrin level-mass computer now that we can.

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  9. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

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    Sci-fi of the period often envisioned a single, giant computer to serve as the central IT resource. Landru, Vaal, and, to a lesser extant, Memory Alpha are in this vein. I haven't read the relevant Isaac Asimov novels, but I think his Foundation series went this route as well.

    In 1967, nobody thought the world's information would be distributed piecemeal across 100 million computer servers, and that those servers would talk to billions of end-user computers. That's stranger than fiction, in a way.
     
  10. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    How come only Pike and Spock recommended not going to Talos?
    Was Number 1 and Boyce and the rest of the crew in favour of visits?
     
  11. Timo

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    Pike is the CO and Spock is the resident telepath. Plus, you know, this recommendation was probably formulated after the events of "If Memory Serves" rather than those of "The Cage" anyway, thus not involving Boyce or #1 in any fashion. :devil:

    Well, even with that assumption, the whole paragraph is utter nonsense. Why is it listed under "Known Facts"? At best, we could read it as being analogous to "This Document Typed With IBM Swiftkey Plus", and who'd give a flying fuck about that?

    (OTOH, utter nonsense is what we might well expect to find in a document like this. The phrase would be comparable to Afghanistan Banana Stand, having no more to do with cross-referencing or mass-levels than the other phrase has with mountainous regions or fruit retail. A random string such as 3XY further points at this being codetalk, a pointer to deep dark secrets for the suitably anointed.)

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  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    Perhaps that's the technical name for what is colloquially known as "Control":p
     
  13. uniderth

    uniderth Commodore Commodore

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    No. Bad.
    *throws newspaper*
     
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  14. johnnybear

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    I wouldn't have thought that Spock or Pike for that matter would have had the authority to ban other earth vessels from visiting Talos IV? I think it was more likely a decision made by the heads of Starfleet command after they reviewed the information on the incident there!
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  15. Timo

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    Well, the text of that document has this Admiral Comsol only meekly "recommending" that nobody visit Talos, and then offhand mentioning Pike and Spock for also having recommended the same thing. (Okay, not the exact same - Pike says "No Man" and Comsol, clearly a more forward-thinking man representing the next generation, says "No One"...)

    Whether Starfleet ever acted on this specific recommendation, or quarantined Talos IV based on other, better information available, we don't know. It's a pretty poorly formulated bit of redundant pseudo-jargon anyway. "Be it hereby noted that said following instructions be incorporated" indeed!

    Timo Saloniemi