All Seeing Eye
Admiral
It is.
We are creating cylons!
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It is.
If that was ever tried I gonuts. A lot of others no doubt would too. I'm mad at animal testing as it is but ripping out an animals brain and plugging it into a machine is a line that better not be crossed.
Prepare to go nuts then as Captain Cyborg is aleady forging ahead:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080813175509.htm
Not quite the same thing but I doubt the rats from which they obtained the neurons lived for very long. The article is silent on the matter. Personally, I don't care, but then I'm an insensitive bastard.
If that was ever tried I go
pfft then you might as well say eating animals is wrong. If its just a frog brain or something I doubt they'd mind.
Just imagine a giant robot going "KILL ALL HUMANS - RIBBET!"
I just hope when they do build robots they come out like Bender, world would be a funnier place.
john titor
Captain
the bible says to go out and eat animals.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
What's the bible got to do with anything?
john titor
Captain
Irc if God says its ok to eat animals then it is. He created them for consumption.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
john titor
Captain
Yes he does. The bible is testament to that.
It's a personal choice about eating meat, but I think that's another issue.
As for transplanting brains of animals, I guess it's a case of whether or not you'd be comfortable doing it yourself (assuming that the process is safe).
However, isn't it possible to have an artificial body tied into a brain remotely? I vaguely remember an experiment where they tied a monkey's brain into a remotely controlled arm without having to do any brain transpanted, and it was able to exert some control over it.
EDIT: And I think we could do to leave the God existance issue out of this one...
As for transplanting brains of animals, I guess it's a case of whether or not you'd be comfortable doing it yourself (assuming that the process is safe).
However, isn't it possible to have an artificial body tied into a brain remotely? I vaguely remember an experiment where they tied a monkey's brain into a remotely controlled arm without having to do any brain transpanted, and it was able to exert some control over it.
EDIT: And I think we could do to leave the God existance issue out of this one...
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
How so?
And where on the food chain does that distinction start? Is it wrong for a shark to eat a fish? Can a cat eat a mouse? Is it just humans that shouldn't eat animals?
seems odd to try to qualify that kind of answer by saying it's wrong 'sometimes'...
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
It's wrong for Humans to eat animals and it's wrong for animals to eat animals.
The difference between us and animals is that we're intelligent enough to understand it's wrong, but then again even some Humans lack the intelligence to know that it's wrong or at least suppress that particular part of their conscience.
The idea that it's right to extinguish a life and then feast on the flesh of that animal afterwards when there are alternative foods sickens me.
Yeh would seem odd if that's what I was saying but the thing is..... it's not what i'm saying.
Immortality just ain't in the cards... Sure I think we all wish it was, but it isn't.
That's the one I think.
Who says we have any right to end the life of plants for sustenance? Can't eat meat? Then you can't eat vegetable. Simple as by your logic.
With the laws of entropy, everything eventually will fade, just how far we push it is what's interesting.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Who says we have any right to end the life of plants for sustenance? Can't eat meat? Then you can't eat vegetable. Simple as by your logic.
Vegetables don't feel pain, have emotions or intelligence. They don't think and they don't feel.
Do you think it's right for one Human to eat another Human? if you don't think there's a difference between a vegetable and an animal then pray tell what is the difference between animals and Humans?
If you came across another species on another planet with an equivalent intelligence as Humans would you eat them simply because you can? what would be your reason for not eating them?
Actually, plants react to their outside environment (plants grow to follow the light) so they must 'feel' to know their environment, though whether they feel pain is up for debate (a quick search on google seem to produce mixed results, any botanists on the board?) especially when it comes to being vague as how one defines 'pain', especially when it's not certain whether some more 'primitive' animals show pain.
There are situations where its 'right' (i.e. stranded in a desert after a plane crash, or in middle of the ocean and there's no other source of food, especially if people in the group already died) though it's not exactly something that the vast majority of people would relish in.
Also, cannibalism in itself comes with inherent risks, especially when it comes to eating brains, it's how you end up with the human form of mad cow disease.
Besides, we're on about why it's not OK to eat members of other species for sustenance, not our own species.
There are differences between plant and animal, as there are animal and human, but they're all life that can be consumed. When it comes down to it, most species won't exactly weep a tear when they have to kill another life form to survive, whether because it's a threat, resource or competition. It's how evolution went down, many millions of years ago (at least in terms of the existance of predators), going to tell evolution off?
Humans are a species that evolved to be able to eat both, welcome to being an omnivore.
Btw, how do you feel about Venus Fly Traps? They eat meat.
Woops! we better get started on making all the carnivores on the planet starve to death.
I am afraid to ask, but why is it wrong?I have no compunction against killing animals for food. As the top of the food chain it is my right. Now, driving a species to extinction - thats another issue entirely.
Whenever I encounter a political vegetarian (as opposed to a dietary vegetarian) I am always reminded of a a comment I once heard.
"You know cows would probably be extinct by now if they weren't a major food source?"
john titor
Captain
Actually in the case of plants unless they're capable of being aware of pain then its not pain, in the same way that someone under anesthetic is prevented from being aware of pain such that they don't feel it.
As regards evolution, our ability to intuitively judge what way we want to evolve takes precedence over drives. We are the only species with the ability to this in a powerful manner, otherwise we'd still be hanging from trees slinging shit at each other. I doubt natural selection would favour the by products of consciousness designed to make us more efficient predators yet here we are with philosophy, science, art and culture.
In addition I don't see how you what right you beyond the one you confer to yourself, its not predicated on any strong logic and if the tables were turned and some alien species decided you were food, you would have to accept this, even though from your perspective and from the aliens, it wouldn't be justified. Animal sentience is there in a reduced capacity to our own but despite the crudity of their thoughts they still experience fear, pain joy, sorrow and loss.
Well, if the aliens decided we were food, then I am guessing from their perspective it is justified. Otherwise why did they decide we are food?
Now, if we develop ways to grow meat in vats, I have no problem switching to that instead of using livestock, depending on which is more efficient.
My meat eating does draw a line based on my own standard of intelligence levels. I could never eat a primate nor a cetacean (is that the right word? whale, dolphin, etc?) and I might have problems with anything I have anthropomorphized like a pet. This in no way affects my ability to enjoy beef, chicken, pork or seafood.
