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News WB/Paramount merger talks

A shame you weren't into treklit, as *that* forum was very alive throughout that period - and ironically less so since the TV shows' return.
This was my thought. I've always been more of a reader than a poster, but I was constantly on the treklit forum, even before I created an account. There was plenty of discussion.

And hopefully if and when things slow down on screen, treklit will be able to flourish and get back to he output it used to have.
 
You're right in that Trek certainly is a long-running franchise with international recognition and appeal...but its appeal and revenue generation potential seems to be medium to good at best, and not blockbuster level. Combined with how expensive it is to make I am worried....

What "blockbuster level" franchises are available to Paramount+ as original content?

They've got Taylor Sheridan and Star Trek. Now, its true that in this Year of Taylors, Sheridan's highly successful productions do take pride of place...
 
I would say that it's pretty clear the future of geek niche content will involve paying more $$$ for products targeted at a narrower and narrower audience. Things like kickstarter and patreon show the direction things will go, particularly as the ad revenue apocalypse continues to engulf all of media.
First it came for newspapers, radio, and music... what has happened in those industries? You have a few mega-players left and widespread fragmentation everywhere else. Star Trek has almost always been a niche, yet mid-level franchise. It's future likely depends on a more narrow niche being profitable, or space opening up in the market again for more mid-level budget films and TV series.

More recently, Stranger Things is something that I think is aimed towards both groups at the same time (despite taking place in the '80s) and has really taken off.
I wonder how scalable the success of that series is, or if it was just lightening in a bottle. It manages to pull off 4-quadrant genre very well.

I have five years on you, but my experience was similar. I wouldn't go quite so far with Beyond to say everyone else in the theater was a senior citizen but, at 36, I did feel like I was almost one of the youngest people there.
I saw STB in Estonia of all places... all I could focus on was how lost I was without being able to read the subtitles showing what the USS Franklin survivors were saying:brickwall:.

Yep. This is essentially what I'd like. A Seven of Nine centered Enterprise show that does the stuff talked about in the prologue in TOS and TNG. Strange new worlds, boldy going, etc. It can be a Next Next Generation by the time it's done. Let the forebears show up for some one off stuff if you want but it's the NNG/Seven stuff I'd really show up for. And I am a HUGE TNG person....
This would also be an ample opportunity for Gen X and elder Millennial parents to introduce their kids to Star Trek, assuming it was held to a TV-14 level.

To round this off, a frenemy of mine in high school told me "Star Trek is dying!" This was back in 1996. Nineteen Ninety-Six. Almost 30 years later, new content is still being put out and people are still saying "Star Trek is dying!" It's not and it won't. When it goes away, it always comes back.
Star Trek really did peak between 1994 and 1996, so they might've been onto something <G>.

These are good points but I think the one difference now is that from TOS all the way to the end of ENT, the media industry was the same/similar model for all of that time. It definitely evolved, and there were big changes in how networks and syndication worked, etc., but everything was largely variations on the same theme. Things are very different now, so I’m not sure we can be confident that downs will lead to ups and pauses won’t be permanent.
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I think the model hasn't changed as much as people believe. I think Streaming effectively functions the same way Syndication used to. TOS through ENT were "syndicated" on Netflix, until they moved to CBSAA/Paramount+. Which I wouldn't call "syndication" so much as I would call it "premium cable" due to not being as widely adopted. So all the series from DSC onward have been released on the equivalent of "premium cable" when they should be in "syndication". Netflix, Hulu, whatever. If Prodigy is any indication, I think they'll all end up on Netflix at the end of the day, but that's a whole other discussion. Anyway...
I think for decades, the entry path to the franchise (at least in the US) was strip syndication. For me it was TNG every weeknight at 6pm, counterprogramming to the local news (which in the US would be three channels with competing newscasts) and the only other competition being 2-3 other channels. If Star Trek was bound to appeal to you, it was very easy to find. And if you really liked it, it was easy to become dedicated fan.

Netflix at least makes series easily and widely accessible, but at the same time there's far more completion.

Granted, Gen Z people I've talked with have easily become fans of anime series that run into the hundreds and hundreds of episodes, so scale alone shouldn't be a daunting barrier.

You're right in that Trek certainly is a long-running franchise with international recognition and appeal...but its appeal and revenue generation potential seems to be medium to good at best, and not blockbuster level. Combined with how expensive it is to make I am worried....
$8-9 million an episode seems bloated. With greater planning and efficiency, $4 million should be doable.
 
Granted, Gen Z people I've talked with have easily become fans of anime series that run into the hundreds and hundreds of episodes, so scale alone shouldn't be a daunting barrier.
The daunting barrier is older fans (like myself) who are awash in trivia and ask all these different ideas or the deep discussion on things that present knowledge of the franchise that can be daunting. I recall feeling that a lot around the Berman era, which just made me retreat to the TOS stuff I had memorized lol
 
What "blockbuster level" franchises are available to Paramount+ as original content?

They've got Taylor Sheridan and Star Trek. Now, its true that in this Year of Taylors, Sheridan's highly successful productions do take pride of place...

A lot of that cost is tied up in shooting at Taylor's ranch (which he charges hefty fees for).

Granted, Gen Z people I've talked with have easily become fans of anime series that run into the hundreds and hundreds of episodes, so scale alone shouldn't be a daunting barrier.

They're fast-paced, cheap, and formulaic (Hayao Miyazaki has complained at length about what he regards as otaku -- violent, fast-paced spectacle aimed primarily at kids and teenagers).

$8-9 million an episode seems bloated. With greater planning and efficiency, $4 million should be doable.

Sir Patrick alone earned about a million dollars an episode as star and Executive Producer.

At its peak, Picard had about THIRTY producers per episode! :eek: (P+ has since ordered it trimmed back to seven per episode).
 
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The daunting barrier is older fans (like myself) who are awash in trivia and ask all these different ideas or the deep discussion on things that present knowledge of the franchise that can be daunting. I recall feeling that a lot around the Berman era, which just made me retreat to the TOS stuff I had memorized lol
Personally, watching '90s Trek during the actual '90s meant there was nothing to get for me to get caught up on. It came out as I was watching it. After the fact, all I had to get caught up on was the last two seasons of VOY. Which I did in 2008.

They're false cheap and formulaic (Hayao Miyazaki has complained at length about what he regards as otaku -- violent, fast-paced spectacle aimed primarily at kids and teenagers).
I'd have to agree. I look for anime not like that, and they tend to have much shorter runs.

On the other hand...

Granted, Gen Z people I've talked with have easily become fans of anime series that run into the hundreds and hundreds of episodes, so scale alone shouldn't be a daunting barrier.
... this is true. Those kids, once they get into something, anything, will just want to watch more-more-more. So, if they get into Trek (and if they don't mind watching old shows), they'll burn right through it.
 
I'd have to agree. I look for anime not like that, and they tend to have much shorter runs.

There's more to anime than Naruto, One Piece, and Dragonball Z.

There's also Studio Ghibli (which was co-founded by Hayao Miyazaki). They produce adult-oriented art house anime (Spirited Away, The Wind Rises, Kiki's Delivery Service, Howl's Moving Castle, Princess Mononoke, etc.).

Miyazaki won the Academy Award in 2001 for Spirited Away. He's one of the greatest animators of the modern era. :)

The Wind Rises is a biography (It's based upon the life of the inventor of the Mitsubishi Zero fighter plane -- the plane that bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941).

It's a drama. It's a love story. It's far removed from Naruto and Dragonball Z.
 
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I don't think Trek is going to die any time soon, but I do think there's frankly not much that Trekkies have to complain about.

Since the franchise's creation in 1966 (58 years ago!) there have only been 19 years where there wasn't either at least one new season of Trek being aired, or a new movie. Even during the two "Trek droughts" new stuff was made. Between TOS and TNG we got TAS and most of the TOS movies. And between Enterprise ending and Discovery, we got the Kelvinverse movies.

Very few franchises can say the same thing. Maybe Doctor Who is analogous a bit in the UK, though it was totally out of production for a 16-year stint (including all of the 1990s) aside from a single TV movie.
 
There's more to anime than Naruto, One Piece, and Dragonball Z.

There's also Studio Ghibli (which was co-founded by Hayao Miyazaki). They produce adult-oriented art house anime (Spirited Away, The Wind Rises, Kiki's Delivery Service, Howl's Moving Castle, Princess Mononoke, etc.).

Miyazaki won the Academy Award in 2001 for Spirited Away. He's one of the greatest animators of the modern era. :)

The Wind Rises is a biography (It's based upon the life of the inventor of the Mitsubishi Zero fighter plane -- the plane that bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941).

It's a drama. It's a love story. It's far removed from Naruto and Dragonball Z.
You're preaching to the choir. I was talking about stuff that runs for hundreds of episodes, not the entire anime industry.

My favorite anime are: Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Death Note, 009-1, Ergo Proxy and Neon Genesis Evangelion. None of which I'd call super-actiony. They're more psychological, dramatic, and tend to aim older. Death Note in particular is a lot more intricate than people would think before they start watching it.

I've seen Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. It's been a while, but I thought they were pretty good.

But this is getting way off topic. :p
 
Oh, but it's so much fun! :lol: :devil:
Metropolis (the 2001 anime movie, not the 1927 film) is one I also recommend! :devil:

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Anyway, "Space, the final frontier!"

I think people who don't want Star Trek to continue or (worse) are actively rooting for it to die seriously need to step away from it. Like right now. And they shouldn't actively root for those of us who still enjoy new content to be deprived of it. No matter which version.
 
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Paramount has a complicated ownership structure.

National Amusements controls eighty percent of Paramount Global's voting shares.

If Byron Allen were to buy Paramount Global without purchasing National Amusements, Shari Redstone (NA's CEO) would still remain the owner of Paramount Global.

In order for Allen to gain control of Paramount, he would have to purchase TWO companies.

Skydance's strategy of focusing on National Amusements would seem to be the more effective route to acquiring Paramount Global.
 
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