Even before SNW added the foreknowledge, the parallel between Spock and Pike's sacrifices existed, but I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned before.
Ways that SNW actually improved TOS
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Even before SNW added the foreknowledge, the parallel between Spock and Pike's sacrifices existed, but I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned before.
Could someone remind me if what we saw in "Serene Squall" really a full, proper Vulcan breakup or simply a ruse? For some reason, I'm think it was the latter, but I don't remember the context right now. Maybe Vulcan breakups aren't as simple as shown if the intent was simply to trick.
I thought it was a ruse couched in traditional sounding language to sell it to pirate captain who had a Vulcan boyfriend.
T'pring does later say they should perform a rebonding ritual, (which we can safely assume happened off screen), just to keep everything technically kosher, they did say the words after all. However, if the original breakup had been real I'm confident there would be a mind meld component later to make it stick biologically (something that would be impossible once pon-farr starts). As it stands, they are still fully bonded but are taking a break as of the end of "Charades".
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Another thing I really like, that is a lot more controversial:
I am really enjoying what they're doing with the Gorn...so far.
The whole "Starfleet thinks they're monsters thing!" kind of ignores that Starfleet has not always had a universally kind view of races that are violent towards them (Romulans, Klingons, etc). Add in the body-horror element, and it's easy to see why the visceral knee-jerk reaction, especially of people who were tormented by them, is hatred.
But bit by bit, the Gorn are being shown as more like what we saw in Arena than the monsters that La'an sees them as. Sure, it's an ongoing story and could still go tits-up as soon as the premiere of Season 3, but so far I think they're setting us up for something really unique in Star Trek.
And I'll admit, I have a private desire to see a Gorn V. Hirogen episode at some point in the future (Whoever wins, we lose, lol)
I am really enjoying what they're doing with the Gorn...so far.
The whole "Starfleet thinks they're monsters thing!" kind of ignores that Starfleet has not always had a universally kind view of races that are violent towards them (Romulans, Klingons, etc). Add in the body-horror element, and it's easy to see why the visceral knee-jerk reaction, especially of people who were tormented by them, is hatred.
But bit by bit, the Gorn are being shown as more like what we saw in Arena than the monsters that La'an sees them as. Sure, it's an ongoing story and could still go tits-up as soon as the premiere of Season 3, but so far I think they're setting us up for something really unique in Star Trek.
And I'll admit, I have a private desire to see a Gorn V. Hirogen episode at some point in the future (Whoever wins, we lose, lol)
Agreed. I really like what they have been doing with the Gorn.
I feel like everyone harsh on TOS T'Pring should note that getting out of a forced marriage with a psychotically charged husband warrants a lot of leeway.
Ordinarily, I'd agree with you.
Except every Vulcan goes through pon farr. So unless she finds someone who is not Vulcan, T'Pring would be facing a psychotically charged husband every 7 years. (And she herself will go through the same thing, too.)
Yeah, I feel like it would be akin to saying women just be actin' cah-rayzy when that PMS hits.
Of course -- it was always there, but I never noticed it until SNW showed Pike telling Spock about his fate. It made me think about it directly in a way "The Menagerie" didn't, even though it was always there to be seen. And knowing that Spock had been living with the knowledge for years in advance of the accident made it more potent. It meant he'd had a lot of time to think about what he'd do in the same situation.
Yep, you don't have Pike come out and declare them unambiguous monsters unless you intend to completely upend that assumption.
Yeah. I'm really intrigued to see where they go with the Gorn in season 3.
Honestly, they've shown intelligence the whole way thru. Setting traps, coordinating maneuvers. It's been an intriguing mix of clear intelligent tactics and instinct-motivated actions.
A lot of the stuff in the OP are things that were minor, one episode plot points on TOS that got expanded to multi episode arcs here. That's not so much "improvement" as it is focusing on different things. Like, in Journey to Babel saying that Spock turned down the Vulcan Science Academy was a perfectly adequate explanation for why Spock was estranged from his father. That was just the set up for the episode before we got into the Andorian political intrigue, we didn't need a longer explanation than that for the purposes of the episode.
TBF you do have a point here
TBF you do have a point here
Um...The spore drive technology basically disappeared in the 23 century when Discovery disappeared. It was a prototype still experimental. A lot of the tech couldn't be reproduced after the other lab was destroyed (Stamets partner in development died then right?) So essentially it is a new technology in the 31st century. Which they were very interested in developing again as an alternative to dilithium. It's laid out pretty clearly as I recall.
Maybe. Spock certainly thought so and T'Pring was looking for an out as Spock dragged his feet.
It's not "ruthless" per se, it's a decision by someone with no emotional connection to the subject she is selecting, and if anything, it gives the best chance of Spock being alive afterwards.
In her original plan the expected outcome is Spock's death. By choosing Kirk (aka "This one..."); Spock lives and a human she has absolutely no connection to dies; and she and Stonn get to either Wed legally, or just continue their relationship with her controling Spock's family holdings as Spock returns to his duty in Starfleet, (which she knows from personal experience is his top priority in his life.)
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