it was seen there first, but do we know it actually originated with the Picard production team?
Ways that SNW actually improved TOS
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it was seen there first, but do we know it actually originated with the Picard production team?
Given that the BoP's first appearance in Picard was in an episode that aired February 2020, three months before SNW was even announced, I see no reason to doubt it.
Yes, as Christopher said. Plus it was (re)designed by John Eaves, who didn't work on SNW.
ah, I hadn't remembered it was so early.
good point. i forgot about that
i enjoyed seeing it in Pic S1 but found it odd since canon basically ignored it after TOS S1, aside from the proto-versions from Ent S2. the D'deridex ironically looks more like the Klingon BoP
The Pic S1/SNW BoP was at the Fleet Museum in Pic S3
i know. but it doesn't really show up between TOS S1 and Pic S1
Rather than retyping things, I'll just say that I agree with your list entirely. SNW has given us a nice pre-TOS window. We've got great characters in this show and it helps develop things in TOS.
Without SNW, T'Pring is a one episode guest star that appears out of the blue and then is never spoken of again. Now we've got context. And Chapel has the occasional crush in TOS, but again, more context with SNW.
I disagree with you about Kirk but agree about the Gorn. They've taken a simplistic creature in TOS and developed a more complex species with multiple stages to its lifecycle. It turns out the Gorn Captain was, logically, older and therefore at a slower point in its lifecycle.
They've also taken a few puzzling aspects of Arena, like how the Gorn communicated with the Enterprise and convinced them to beam down key personnel, and made them fit in.
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side point: the Gorn's importance in Trek was always a bit overstated in pop culture. they show up in 1 episode each in TOS and TAS, respectively, then nothing until the mirror universe episode in Ent, then nothing until SNW s1. even the Bolians show up more than that
that said, I think SNW does veer a bit far into making Gorn monsters rather than enemy aliens.
speaking of Bolians, one thing I also like about SNW is TNG races making minor appearances or being mentioned. it's not a "this is better than TOS" thing since ofc those species were invented until TNG, but it's a nice touch, imo
Why can't they be both?
Like humans, they could very well have qualities of both.
The one on the ship in the season finale certianlly wasn't monstrous.
All the other encounters have been with their children.
And so the show has to show it? We cannot extrapolate?
The adult on the destroyed ship was clearly intelligent. Not to mention the fact the Gorn communicated to the Federation the demarkation line. So they are being shown as clearly intelligent.
To quote the ever quotable Heinlein: "dumb ones don't build spaceships. "
ok but that's not really my point
So, even though we see intelligent behavior, tactics and use of technology, that is not sufficient data?
they are prepping us for a Devil in the Dark style reveal.
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