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Waters of Mars Comment & Grading SPOILERS

Worth the wait?

  • Well below par - can't wait for the new guy

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You wait 6 months for an episode of Doctor Who and get this? At least Planet of the Dead was enjoyable. This was just a boring nothing.

Ooh no, the Doctor's gone too far. Gawd 'elp us.

They couldn't even rustle (no pun intended) up an exciting trailer for The End of Time.
 
You wait 6 months for an episode of Doctor Who and get this? At least Planet of the Dead was enjoyable. This was just a boring nothing.

Ooh no, the Doctor's gone too far. Gawd 'elp us.

They couldn't even rustle (no pun intended) up an exciting trailer for The End of Time.
Why do you bother watching the show? You obviously don't like it.
 
The End Of Time...

^ Trailer there again for anyone wanting to see it again and I noticed that the voice over at the end is BOE and near start the black dude is the guy who tortured and killed the ood in that episode where Doctor/Donna freed them.

The guy in the suit in the trailer they showed tonight? That's not the same actor.

Your right its David Harewood, freaky they looks a lot like :p though am right about the Boe bit at the end the voice changes from the original narrator ?
 
Tennant and Davies explain perfectly in the Confidential ep that followed on BBC3.

We see the Doctor become arrogant and acting as if he almost in control of everything, and can and will change things he wishes to. The has the selfishness of personal glory, Timelord Victorious. And if thats a new title The Doctor will start calling himself until he realises he has done wrong and gone too far, then im all for it.

We see The Doctor become something he has never wanted to become. He has changed, and as RTD says in the confidential, we see a changed Doctor when the exits the TArdis. Hes a changed man, but for the worse.

And i love that, its teritory that no other doctor has been to, a change in personality so drastic, it is his undoing.

Timelord Victorious. Please, Ten, start calling yourself this until the end is nigh, just before the regneration when you realise what has become of you and make amends just before you regnerate.
 
You wait 6 months for an episode of Doctor Who and get this? At least Planet of the Dead was enjoyable. This was just a boring nothing.

Ooh no, the Doctor's gone too far. Gawd 'elp us.

They couldn't even rustle (no pun intended) up an exciting trailer for The End of Time.
Why do you bother watching the show? You obviously don't like it.
Because I have a fondness for old DW and still sort of care.
 
With his new found arrogance I was expecting the click of fingers and a swagger back into the tardis at the end, but that didn't happen :-(
 
You wait 6 months for an episode of Doctor Who and get this? At least Planet of the Dead was enjoyable. This was just a boring nothing.

Ooh no, the Doctor's gone too far. Gawd 'elp us.

They couldn't even rustle (no pun intended) up an exciting trailer for The End of Time.
Why do you bother watching the show? You obviously don't like it.
Because I have a fondness for old DW and still sort of care.
Fair enough.
 
That was so much better than Planet of the Dead. I'm glad that the Ice Warriors got a mention too.

I was a little shocked that the Doctor decided to rescue the remaining crew and alter history and I just hope the power of being the last Timelord has not gone to his head for too long.

Roll on Christmas!:)
 
The fact that the BBC sold this as the scariest episode of Who EVER! Water lifeforms aren't scary, if any ever attack me, I'll just boil them in my kettle. So there.

I'd be worried is anyone over 12 found any episode of DW scary. I've no doubt there were plenty of kids being creeped out tonight.
 
Okay, I haven't seen it....but based on comments here, it's made me rethink the title "End of Time". I know the Master comes back, and when I've heard the title, I've generally thought of the Master at the end of the time in his first NuWho appearance. But from what's been said about changing a fixed point.....I wonder if it means the end of time itself because something so fundamental has been changed?

Or maybe I'm just slow and that's been the general feeling all along? I'm wondering if we don't get a kindof Trek 09 thing going.....what if the Tardis looks new, not because it regenerated, but because certain elements have been altered\reset and we're back at the begining. Smith could be the first doctor in this altered reality....it also solves the problem the Doctor being near the end of his regenerations (they've never mentioned the 12 limitation IRC in the new series, so who knows if it even exists now).

And it also allows the slate to be wiped clean, while like Trek 09, still acknowledges what came before.
I've thought, for a really long time that, when Davies' era is said and done, he's going to push the giant fucking reset button and bring back Gallifrey and the Time Lords. At this point, I'm still rating that at about a 70 percent probability.

The reason has to do with toys.

If you think of Doctor Who as a toybox, Davies has played with a lot of toys. He hasn't damaged the toys, but he's showing us different pieces of the toys. The one toy that Davies hasn't played with is Gallifrey and the Time Lords. He showed us that toy wasn't in the box anymore.

But it's not Davies' toy to take out of the box permanently. The toy still exists. It's just not in the box.

Davies is passing his box of toys to Moffat. Davies has added a couple of new toys to the box, like Captain Jack and Martha and the Slitheen, but it's not his place to take a toy away and keep it. Davies has to put the Gallifrey/Time Lords toy back in the box, so that Moffat is getting all the same toys to play with that RTD started playing with Philip Segal's toys or that Segal started playing with John Nathan-Turner's toys.

Maybe RTD will be ambiguous about how he puts the toy back in the box, in the way that Lance Parkin and Justin Richards were ambiguous about the way the Gallifrey/Time Lords toy got put back into the box for "Rose" in The Gallifrey Chronicles. And yes, there's an outside chance that the toy won't be put back into the box, because it's not a toy that Moffat wants to play with right now, or that he has no intention of playing with.

But the toy is going to get put back. It's just a question of how and when.

And I'm rating RTD as putting the toy back into the toybox at about 70 percent. Maybe, once I've seen "The Waters of Mars," I'll revise my estimate.
 
I voted good, needs some tweaks.

Definitely a huge improvement on Planet of the Dead, and I loved the Ice Warriors nod.

Didn't have a problem with the standard base under seige storyline...I like bases under seige. That said as others have mentioned, it would have been better if the water creatures had had more of a personality. I thought we were going to get this when Maggie initially retained the power of speech, but alas no.

Part of what was good about it was part of what was bad, ie Tennant. In many ways it was like the Christmas Invasion, with the Doctor only really impacting at the end...but what an impact! Loved the scene of him walking away as they all died. As usual Tennant is at his best in the quieter moments. Loved that he went mad, but felt DT overdid it just slightly. I'd have prefered a quieter, more intense kind of crazy.

Also a bit annoying that Timelord Victorious lasted al of ten seconds...that was a story thread that could have done with more time to breathe.

Like ITL I didn't know why the Doctor didn't just offer Adilade and Co the chance to survive but in the year 3050 or something...I'm also unlclear why exactly it was that fixed a point in time?

Anyway, good but not great but I might revise my feelings after a second viewing.

Really wish it was Christmas Day now!!
 
^The way I saw it it was a fixed point because he KNEW it would happen. If he knows what happens then he can't do anything about it.
 
Pingfah ^You have seen Dr Who before right? :-)

And Bob, you could be right but the Doctor seemed to be implying something deeper than that.
 
Like ITL I didn't know why the Doctor didn't just offer Adilade and Co the chance to survive but in the year 3050 or something...

That kinda misses the point. Since at that point he's convinced himself that he's the absolute Master (pun intended) of Time, he believes he can leave them back in their own time without any problems.

Opps!
 
Pingfah ^You have seen Dr Who before right? :-)

And Bob, you could be right but the Doctor seemed to be implying something deeper than that.

I think it's along the lines of he knows what happens, and what the consequences of the event would be and for the universe to come out as it should those events need to happen, whereas some events wouldn't effect the larger universe in the same way, at least that he knows about when he shows up.
 
^The way I saw it it was a fixed point because he KNEW it would happen. If he knows what happens then he can't do anything about it.

Really? I didn't think that was the case. I thought that the reason why she was so important, and it was fixed, was because her death inspired her granddaughter to break the light barrier, thus sending Humans to new leaps and bounds, without that it might have not happened (or atleast, happened differently, including the exclusion of an entire species). And by extension, it would have even altered The Doctors own personal history, which I think is why Time Lords don't change anything that is fixed, because they know it could possibly backfire them, another Time Lord, or even Gallifray. That's why I think this episode is the direct result in Gallifray and the Time Lords returning, because humans had something to do (perhaps, in a very very extended way) with the Time War, and the end result changed.

The fact he called the others "minors" while talking to Adelaide backs my theory up a little.
 
Like ITL I didn't know why the Doctor didn't just offer Adilade and Co the chance to survive but in the year 3050 or something...

That kinda misses the point. Since at that point he's convinced himself that he's the absolute Master (pun intended) of Time, he believes he can leave them back in their own time without any problems.

Opps!

Yeah at that point, but before he went loony tunes he could have considered it. The base gets nuked, so who's going to miss the people in it?
 
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