Watching Season 2 DVD's

[Mike Have-Not]

Checked them out from the library. This is a good season!

I've seen them all before, of course, but this is the first time getting to see so many eps in a row like this.

I gotta say the original special effects are fine.

The occasional blatant sexism catches me off guard once in a while, but, it's not too bad.

I love Star Trek! (I hate calling it TOS, but it's unavoidable sometimes)

 

[gastrof]

The original effects seem to NOT have been fine, in this day of high def.

Apparently they tried to do the originals as high def. and the scenes of ships in space looked very bad on high def screens.

This is why they say the redo was needed.

 

[Dar70]

How do the SD's look on high def tv's? I decided to purchase them a few weeks back. Aside from the special effects, Im not to impressed with the "quality upgrade" of the orginal filmed material on the new HD-DVD versions, Its so slight i doubt it would add to my enjoyment of TOS.

 

[Cranston]

Mike Have-Not said:
The occasional blatant sexism catches me off guard once in a while, but, it's not too bad.

It bugs me too, but it's harder for me to shake off. That's the one thing that most gets in the way of me completely enjoying watching the original series (which is my favorite). Most episodes have at least one little (outrageously) sexist moment where I just want to throw a brick at the screen.

 

[Mallory]

Mike Have-Not said:
The occasional blatant sexism catches me off guard once in a while, but, it's not too bad.

That was normal for the times. It doesn't throw me a bit since that's what I grew up with. I guess you had to be there at the time.

 

[cbspock]

People are so uptight these days, and are so indoctrinated in political correctness it is sick.


-Chris

 

[T'Bonz]

It may have been normal for the times, but as a woman, it throws me to hear it today. Then again, I grew up when woman weren't "allowed" to do things (like play Little League). When I asked why as a child, there was never a good reason given. I always figured it was just men trying to keep the goodies for themselves. I was probably right. You know, I'm not sure why adult women put up with it back then.

You watch some of the shows from the 1950s or 1960s and women were treated like infants or retards. It's pretty sad to watch at times, at least from my female perspective.

It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

 

[Mallory]

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I said it was normal for the times. I didn't say it was right. I also spent the first decade of my life living in a segregated Deep South. That was also "normal" for the times and equally wrong.

 

[Nebusj]

Jingle Bonz said:
It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

I think it's enough for something to be unfair to justify getting a bit upset about it.

It is more than obnoxious to decide -- for one on-screen example -- that a person's career must end not because she wants to end it, but because she's likely to marry a person with an assumed superior career. This does no justice to the full potential of each individual, which is explicitly given as an ideal to Kirk and Spock's society, and which is obviously one that should be an ideal to ours.

 

[Number_6]

Nebusj said:

Jingle Bonz said:
It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

I think it's enough for something to be unfair to justify getting a bit upset about it.

It is more than obnoxious to decide -- for one on-screen example -- that a person's career must end not because she wants to end it, but because she's likely to marry a person with an assumed superior career. This does no justice to the full potential of each individual, which is explicitly given as an ideal to Kirk and Spock's society, and which is obviously one that should be an ideal to ours.

Yes, it's a great idea to get upset about the past, and so very productive, too.

Let's not read or watch anything that was created before the days of the PC police, so we can all be free from upset.

 

[Nebusj]

Number_6 said:
Yes, it's a great idea to get upset about the past, and so very productive, too.

Let's not read or watch anything that was created before the days of the PC police, so we can all be free from upset.

You have provided a thorough and smashing demolition of the argument that I'm confident you sincerely believe I made.

 

[T'Bonz]

Number_6 said:
Yes, it's a great idea to get upset about the past, and so very productive, too.

My comment was meant to say that I personally find it upsetting (or actually, more disquieting) to see how women were treated. That doesn't mean that I want to go and slap men or rant and rage or whatever. But as a woman who experienced the sting of prejudice in my youth, it brings back unpleasant memories. And like it or not, I do have the right to be annoyed about it just a bit.

I get just as upset at other unpleasant things from the past that weren't directed at my gender/class/race. I think that if seeing something like the female sexism, or the bad treatment that blacks got, doesn't make you feel uncomfortable, then that may not be a good thing.

That doesn't mean whatever shows the sexism was in were ruined. I thoroughly enjoy TOS in spite of the obvious sexism of the times and I enjoy many other shows from back then. I just wince at the really bad parts.

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I said it was normal for the times.

I at least did not take your comment as approval of the attitude back then, merely acknowledging that it existed.

 

[Number_6]

Nebusj said:

Number_6 said:
Yes, it's a great idea to get upset about the past, and so very productive, too.

Let's not read or watch anything that was created before the days of the PC police, so we can all be free from upset.

You have provided a thorough and smashing demolition of the argument that I'm confident you sincerely believe I made.

You go back to your regularly scheduled preaching, then.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Cranston said:

Mike Have-Not said:
The occasional blatant sexism catches me off guard once in a while, but, it's not too bad.

It bugs me too, but it's harder for me to shake off. That's the one thing that most gets in the way of me completely enjoying watching the original series (which is my favorite). Most episodes have at least one little (outrageously) sexist moment where I just want to throw a brick at the screen.

Not me. Kirk was a man. The women were women. They weren't women trying to be men and vice-versa.

TOS: When Captains were men and Yeomen Rand was nervous!

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Nebusj said:

Jingle Bonz said:
It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

I think it's enough for something to be unfair to justify getting a bit upset about it.

It is more than obnoxious to decide -- for one on-screen example -- that a person's career must end not because she wants to end it, but because she's likely to marry a person with an assumed superior career. This does no justice to the full potential of each individual, which is explicitly given as an ideal to Kirk and Spock's society, and which is obviously one that should be an ideal to ours.

Well, that's why Angela had him killed off. Oh, and also so she could hook up with the other dude in Shore Leave. Tramp!

 

[jimbtnp2]

Jingle Bonz said:
It may have been normal for the times, but as a woman, it throws me to hear it today. Then again, I grew up when woman weren't "allowed" to do things (like play Little League). When I asked why as a child, there was never a good reason given. I always figured it was just men trying to keep the goodies for themselves. I was probably right. You know, I'm not sure why adult women put up with it back then.

You watch some of the shows from the 1950s or 1960s and women were treated like infants or retards. It's pretty sad to watch at times, at least from my female perspective.

It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

Put up with what?

Women were treated like ladies

some women are comfortable being women
You make it sound like a crime

 

[Doug Otte]

jimbtnp2 said:

Jingle Bonz said:
It may have been normal for the times, but as a woman, it throws me to hear it today. Then again, I grew up when woman weren't "allowed" to do things (like play Little League). When I asked why as a child, there was never a good reason given. I always figured it was just men trying to keep the goodies for themselves. I was probably right. You know, I'm not sure why adult women put up with it back then.

You watch some of the shows from the 1950s or 1960s and women were treated like infants or retards. It's pretty sad to watch at times, at least from my female perspective.

It's not being uptight, cbspock. When something affects you directly and it's unfair, you tend to get a little upset over it.

Put up with what?

Women were treated like ladies

some women are comfortable being women
You make it sound like a crime

jim, I'm afraid your rhetoric makes you seem very ignorant. OTOH, Jingle's calm discussion has been eminently intelligent and reasonable.

Doug

 

[T'Bonz]

jimbtnp2 said:

Put up with what?

Women were treated like ladies

some women are comfortable being women
You make it sound like a crime

I explained what. There were things that we were told we simply could not do. Perhaps you think it was no big deal, not having been on the receiving end of it, but I hated it at the time. You know what, NOTHING that they said we couldn't do were things we actually couldn't do! Usually it was because they didn't WANT us to do things, not because we couldn't.

As for being treated like a lady, if being treated like a retarded child like we were meant "treated like a lady", no thanks. Not everything about being treated like a lady was a good thing.

I'm very comfortable with and like being a woman. Even in this day and age of more equality, there are men who have lovely manners. It wasn't something than vanished along with the sexism. It was there in spite of it.

And before someone says it, no, I don't hate men. I LIKE men. Most are wonderful. I just don't like the sexism that existed back then, anymore than I like how women are treated today in many parts of the world. One doesn't have to hate men to hate certain behaviors that are wrong.

 

[Plum]

^^^
Hey! Anyone watching MADMEN?

 

[Steven Of Nine]

The worst example has to be in "The Enemy Within", wherein the Shadow Kirk has essentially raped Rand (as close to actual rape as they'd have allowed on tv then) and Spock mentions at the end that Rand must agree that the Shadow Kirk had many interesting qualities.

Yeah, Spock. Lovely comment.

As to this discussion. It's a waste of time. We expect enlightened people to find discomfort in the norms of teh past. We expect idiots to blow that up into an argument.

What we should be happy for is that the show isn't re-edited to remove the offensive material, which is what extremists would surely prefer.