Watched The Visitor for the first time in 10 years

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by Photon, Mar 26, 2021.

  1. Swedish Borg

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    Yeah, and she committed the worst infraction to the prime directive in recorded history!!! Give a weapon of mass destruction to the BORG!!! If there was any justice Arturis would have succeeded in his plan to assimilate her... alone (given that her crew has... admittedly some mitigating circumstances in their favor, for one thing, they were used to her type of insanity). How dare she lecture anybody about the prime directive when what she has done is a thousand times worse?
     
  2. Oddish

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    Planned to give a weapon on mass destruction to the Borg. Since the Borg betrayed her, they never got it.
     
  3. Markonian

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    And Sisko rendered a Maquis planet uninhabitable but I guess we can use this thread to pile on the Woman Captain.

    Plot Twist: Tuvix was the real visitor. :evil:
     
  4. Swedish Borg

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    Whatever Janeway was Archer was worse. As far as I know, Janeway never decided to withhold a cure that could save an entire planet.
     
  5. Oddish

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    Yeah, about that...

    JANEWAY: "You're not to warn these people. That's an order."

    Compared to Picard in "Homeward", Janeway in "Time and Again", and Archer in "Dear Doctor", Sisko chasing a Maquis-allied colony off a planet doesn't seem so bad.
     
  6. Swedish Borg

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    Poisoning an entire planet just to get one man seems a bit much though, don't you think?

    However, give a new kind of WMD to the borg seems to top it all off... After all the Borg are responsible for destroying thousands of worlds anything that helps them reaches an apex of horror.
     
  7. Oddish

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    Well, Janeway DOES eventually give a WMD to the Borg, but in a very different way...

    JANEWAY: "Must be something you assimilated!"
     
  8. DonIago

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    For the nth time, Sisko didn't "poison a planet". He did render it poisonous to human life, but I feel those trying to polarize views of Sisko often forget that little detail. The episode ends with a zero-sum game as the Maquis and Cardassians end up trading planets in any case.
     
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  9. Markonian

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    Ah well, that totally justifies it then.
     
  10. Swedish Borg

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    Sure, everything is so simpler when you're simplistic... I don't see how you can evacuate a planet in ten minutes on a moment's notice personally. I mean what if people are spelunking and they didn't get the message? I've seen cartoons more realistic than that!!!
     
  11. Bad Thoughts

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    The planet that Cardassians went on to inhabit? It seems that with simple grammar, in can be shown than a planet that is inhabited is habitable.
     
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    I wasn't arguing as to whether or not it was justified, but I do feel (rightly or wrongly) that those who leave it at "Sisko poisoned a planet" without including what is to me a significant qualifier are at best not aware of what actually happened or at worst are pushing an agenda.
    I'm sure there probably were casualties...on both sides, in fact. And on the Malinche. But they apparently weren't significant enough for anyone to comment upon them.
     
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  13. Takeru

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    That doesn't make Sisko less of a criminal asshole who should have been removed from command. This called for a mutiny and the entire crew sucks for not pulling out their phasers and throwing him in the brig.
     
  14. Vger23

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    It's an emotional powerhouse of an episode. I've only seen it 3 times. I purposefully don't over-watch it, because I never want it to become "just another episode" and I want that impact to stay true each time I do decide to revisit it.

    That's how much I like this one.
     
  15. Bad Thoughts

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    They should have mutinied just like Scotty over Eminiar VII.
     
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  16. Oddish

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    Crews never mutiny when we think they should.
     
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  17. DonIago

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    I literally said in part of the post that you quoted that I wasn't looking at the moral or legal implications of Sisko's actions. It just bothers me that people knowingly or unknowingly distort the facts of them.
     
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    Indeed. I'm perfectly willing to debate the morality of what Sisko did, feeling it at least to be a questionable tactic of war, but it gets over-exaggerated with hyperbolic language and deception with regard to scale. And as much as Janeway gets more guff for being a woman, I can't help but wonder why the black captain receives such harsh criticism when one captain planned the extermination of all life on a planet and another collaborated with a genocidal species, helping them to develop weapons.
     
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  19. Oddish

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    Don't forget the original Kirk. His modus operandi seemed to be:
    1. Go to a planet where life is very different than Federation norms.
    2. Force Federation norms on them.
    3. Leave.

    Now, sometimes that works. The computer generated war planet, Kirk probably forced an end to the war by making the factions choose between peace and fighting for real. But in "Spock's Brain" and "The Apple", it's debatable whether the inhabitants of either of those planets survived his intervention.
     
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  20. Bad Thoughts

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    FTFY