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Was there a bigger ass to step on to DS9 than

If they had wiped out the Founders, the gem hadar would have gone on a homocidal rage and fought to the last man.

They would have tried, but with no new source of ketrucel white, they would have died in a few weeks. And with no brain to guide them and no fists to impose their will, the Vorta would have posed little threat.
 
The Female changling bar none. I don't buy anything she said about her backstory, she's an evil monster. Zimmerman was at least funny in his perfectionism.
I love that they doubled down on this in Star Trek Online. It was one of the few story beats from that game I appreciate.
 
They would have tried, but with no new source of ketrucel white, they would have died in a few weeks. And with no brain to guide them and no fists to impose their will, the Vorta would have posed little threat.

Do you know how many people they could have killed in a few weeks?
 
Gideon Seyetik?

I don't believe he qualifies as a villain, not even a soft one.

The original question wasn't "villains" it was the biggest ass.
He couldn't talk about anything except how great he was and how great his planets were.
 
I don't like the nonsensicalness of this episode. The changeling looks like she's only a couple of days from death and presumably her whole people as well but she's preparing for a blockade that could have lasted for years. That doesn't make any sense. Just wait long enough for the changeling to croak and in absence of leadership the Jemadars won't know what to do. They'll probably kill the Vorta out of frustration and then each other...
 
The original question wasn't "villains" it was the biggest ass.
He couldn't talk about anything except how great he was and how great his planets were.

True but on the other hand he seemed rather sympathetic his self-praising was sort of a recurring joke that he laughed about almost each time he did it and he didn't seem disdainful of other people. Plus he killed himself to free his wife. That's very grand of him. all in all I kinda liked the guy.
 
They would have tried, but with no new source of ketrucel white, they would have died in a few weeks. And with no brain to guide them and no fists to impose their will, the Vorta would have posed little threat.

Did it really require the founders to make the Ketracel White? I thought the Vorta, possibly with some technicians of some sort, could operate the factories that made it. The Vorta would probably have been just as eager to take as much of the Alpha Quadrant with them as they died as the Jem Hadar, aside from occassional defective clones like Keevan.
 
Do you know how many people they could have killed in a few weeks?

Hard to say. I wonder if the Dominion knows how to induce a star to go supernova. They could potentially kill everyone in several star systems all at once.

And then there were their biogenic weapons, though they would probably have to be one planet at a time.
 
True but on the other hand he seemed rather sympathetic his self-praising was sort of a recurring joke that he laughed about almost each time he did it and he didn't seem disdainful of other people. Plus he killed himself to free his wife. That's very grand of him. all in all I kinda liked the guy.

He tried to joke about his egocentricity, but there was too much truth in it to really be funny. In my opinion.
 
He tried to joke about his egocentricity, but there was too much truth in it to really be funny. In my opinion.

What I liked is that he never said anything that implied that he regarded other people as inferior to himself, unlike most self-infatuated pricks who do that all the time. Zimmerman being a case in point.
 
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I don't like the nonsensicalness of this episode. The changeling looks like she's only a couple of days from death and presumably her whole people as well but she's preparing for a blockade that could have lasted for years. That doesn't make any sense. Just wait long enough for the changeling to croak and in absence of leadership the Jemadars won't know what to do. They'll probably kill the Vorta out of frustration and then each other...
Agreed.
 
I don't like the nonsensicalness of this episode. The changeling looks like she's only a couple of days from death and presumably her whole people as well but she's preparing for a blockade that could have lasted for years. That doesn't make any sense. Just wait long enough for the changeling to croak and in absence of leadership the Jemadars won't know what to do. They'll probably kill the Vorta out of frustration and then each other...
I guess there's no reason to stop a genocide. :thumbdown:
 
I rather assumed that toward the end the Founder's illness had affected her higher reasoning. Her behavior certainly seems to generally become more erratic than it had been to that point.
 
I guess there's no reason to stop a genocide. :thumbdown:

I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for the changelings given all that they did. Tailor-made plagues that torture and keep in squalor entire planets for centuries! They designed sapient species for the sole purpose of being kamikaze fighters, species designed without any kind of appreciation for art or harmless fun. We saw for example how the young jemadar wanted to kill everyone that crossed his path that wasn't a Jemadar or a founder without any other kind of prompting than what's written in his genome. Only something akin to pond scum would design such things. In many ways, the changelings are even worse than the borg.
 
Weyoun was a special character a very charismatic villain, but there should've been more with these clones and nothing really was done. Eris was also mysterious and it appeared she had superpowers as well; I felt the seasons could get quite interesting if the Vorta branched off from the changlings. Those creatures had more character than Odo's people.
I would have liked to see both Eris and Kilana in more episodes.
 
If they had wiped out the Founders, the gem hadar would have gone on a homocidal rage and fought to the last man.

The Founders did more evil things than anyone else but I do feel a slight amount of sympathy that it was all motivated by a deep experience based belief that solids would inherently kill them at the first opportunity if given the option. That’s why the female changeling finally relented after linking with Odo.

But even if you discount the murderers, Zimmerman’s problems are just attitude problems, not moral problems.
I see some of your points here.

But I would have had more understanding for The Founders if they had stayed in their part of space and not tried to conquer the rest of the galaxy in order to enslave and eradicate the hated "solids".
 
+1 for Kai Winn.

The female changeling wasn't really an ass, she was just evil. Totally different kettle of fish. Weyoun comes close for sheer smugness and arrogance, but Winn takes it for me. I'm currently on season 4 of my rewatch and Dukat is actually quite likeable at this point, so he avoids making the list. But Winn is never likeable.
 
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