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Totally missed the point, but hey ho.
Totally missed the point, but hey ho.
Was Tennant *Your* Doctor?
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Totally missed the point, but hey ho.
Since they eat pills that come from machines they don't need people to make their meals for them. So there's nobody needed to cook the chips in the canteen.
I wasn't actually suggesting that Time Lords eat chips in canteens, if we can just clear that up.
How do you know that Time Lords eat *nothing but* "pills from machines" anyway? And even if it were true, who services the machines? Who builds them? Who installs them? Who cleans them? Who makes the pills? Who sorts the Trout a'la Creme pills from the Toffee Crisp flavour?
How do you know that Time Lords eat *nothing but* "pills from machines" anyway? And even if it were true, who services the machines? Who builds them? Who installs them? Who cleans them? Who makes the pills? Who sorts the Trout a'la Creme pills from the Toffee Crisp flavour?
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so Galfiery has no McDonalds?^
Totally missed the point, but hey ho.
Since they eat pills that come from machines they don't need people to make their meals for them. So there's nobody needed to cook the chips in the canteen.
As I said the TARDIS had a food machine in the beginning and when pressed for an answer as whether or not Rodan knew what she could eat outside of the Citidal she had no answer in The Invasion Of Time, but she did produce a box of pills though.
TARDISes are grown not built so I don't there's factories producing the various machines for the interiors of the TARDISes. Plus they had a domed city I can't imagine their clean, clear, orange sky being polluted, even the Doctor didn't like the idea of using oil as a power source.
Definitely Tennant for me, yes. I saw the odd Doctor Who episode as a child. But I was never very aware of individual Doctors in particular.
Tennant really grabbed my attention as Doctor Who. And he really feels like the Doctor to me. To me, he just embodies the many different facets of the character so well, it's a joy to watch.
It's thanks to Tennant that I know I will be re-watching all of Doctor Who at some stage (even though for various reasons I don't know yet when that will happen).
Tennant really grabbed my attention as Doctor Who. And he really feels like the Doctor to me. To me, he just embodies the many different facets of the character so well, it's a joy to watch.
It's thanks to Tennant that I know I will be re-watching all of Doctor Who at some stage (even though for various reasons I don't know yet when that will happen).
I'm still not seeing any evidence that Time Lord cuisine consists *solely* of food pills. And again, even if it does, they have to come from somewhere, probably machinery, and the machinery that makes them will need maintenance/operators/fillers/etc.
Any society requires workers. The Time Lords are clearly depicted to be very hierarchical, rather stuffily so. We've seen the top of the ladder countless times. The ladder has a bottom rung, too.
Who grows them?
The fact that TARDISes are grown does not mean everything bolted onto the interior is aswell. It's quite clearly a mix of organic and technology from the new series. In the classic series, there was no hint whatsoever that it was anything but mechanical/electronic.
You have to wonder why they're in a domed city in the first place, if their sky was so wonderfully clean and clear.
But none of this precludes the idea of a Time Lord working class.
I'm still not seeing any evidence that Time Lord cuisine consists *solely* of food pills. And again, even if it does, they have to come from somewhere, probably machinery, and the machinery that makes them will need maintenance/operators/fillers/etc.
Any society requires workers. The Time Lords are clearly depicted to be very hierarchical, rather stuffily so. We've seen the top of the ladder countless times. The ladder has a bottom rung, too.
Who grows them?
The fact that TARDISes are grown does not mean everything bolted onto the interior is aswell. It's quite clearly a mix of organic and technology from the new series. In the classic series, there was no hint whatsoever that it was anything but mechanical/electronic.
You have to wonder why they're in a domed city in the first place, if their sky was so wonderfully clean and clear.
But none of this precludes the idea of a Time Lord working class.
It's on you to provide any proof a working class based entirely on what we've seen on the show. And if you remember they do have a force field around the whole planet. I'm sure they made their own air. And as for the TARDISes it'd take forever to bolt and place everything in place since we don't even know how big they are in the first place. And their grown by Time Lords of course.
Outer Gallifrey is a wasteland for unknown reasons it could've been mining or a war or a natural cause. In any event it's gone none and the point is moot one. And if Timothy Dalton does play the Doctor's father in some kind of flashback we'll have some more insights into the Doctor's family.
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No, DWF, it's on you. You need to step back and realize what you're typing is "Your personal theories on the Doctor are incorrect, because they're not my personal theories." We've all listed facts for you concerning what we think about The Doctor, and what we've seen of Gallifreyan society. But, in the end, you're the only one insisting that we are all wrong, and you are right.
Did they say that TARDI are grown on the show? I can't remember if this is a fact, or if it's another one of those Fannon things that you've latched onto (ala' the class system of the Time Lords). As Jim Steele said, if you can't show me anywhere in the show where the Doctor or a Time Lord said "All we eat are pills", then it's up to you to prove where our theory that they eat food is incorrect. Every ladder does have a bottom-rung, and the Time Lord society did not reach such technological heights without a working class system that created all of that marvelous paradise. You say that no technician "bolts in" the TARDI interior, and I say prove it. You say the Doctor wasn't abandoned, and I say prove it. You say they don't use industrial machines and I say prove it. (btw, may want to review Invasion of Time when it comes to their industrial machines....the control engine for the Transduction Barrier looked awfully industrial to me).
In the end, you disagree with peoples personal theories on The Doctor and the Time Lords? Cool. But, don't sit around and grasp at lucid straws to try and make everyone view it by just your standards. And if you insist on doing so, try bringing some actual facts to the table, and not more Fannon...
The Doctor said TARDISes are grown In The Impossible Planet all that I've said is onscreen at some point and I've provided links to prove my point, you on the other have done nothing to prove your point but shoved the misspelled word "fannon" on my face without a shed a proof to back anything you've said.
How old are you, exactly? Just curious...
Yes. To Wikipedia. A place known solely for its innate accuracy, and thorough vetting. That was sarcasm.
As for what I've offered?
Says who?None of this was ever explored in the series, except for one, single episode. Everything else has been Fannon created around it...
Unless you the four parter The Deadly Assassin, that was hardly one single ep.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/deadlyassassin/detail.shtml
Oh dear, how pedantic. Semantics, now?
Fine. The entirety of his class was explored in one, single story. And never again. My point still stands...
DWF, what does any of that have to do with my points? What are you trying to prove here? It's eluding me.
At which point you continued to choose and cut what you did and did not want to debate. Instead of addressing each point brought up, you have decided to only try to latch onto specific sentences or points. You didn't answer or address anything I said or rebutted. Also, when Sci pointed out, just as I did, that all these "links" you were giving us had no impact on the points about the Doctor's possible social status (you may want to reference the "IMHO" tag at the end of Sci's first post on the subect btw), you simply started hounding him about his misinterpretation of whether the Doctor had said he was part of the Faculty. Which, btw, is also within my own personal "FANON" (want to run a spellcheck for me?) but you don't see me trying to enforce that opinion as inflexible fact.
What it boils down to is that you didn't particularly care for Sci (and my own) personal theories of the Doctor's childhood and background. It conflicted with your own personal theories, and you disagree.
Well, like I said, fine. Disagree. I'm not sitting here trying to change your mind. But, in return, don't try and enforce your personal vision on me as fact, when it is clearly just as speculative as anyone else's pet fantasies...
I think Eccleston was mine.
How old are you, exactly? Just curious...
Yes. To Wikipedia. A place known solely for its innate accuracy, and thorough vetting. That was sarcasm.
As for what I've offered?
Oh dear, how pedantic. Semantics, now?
Fine. The entirety of his class was explored in one, single story. And never again. My point still stands...
DWF, what does any of that have to do with my points? What are you trying to prove here? It's eluding me.
At which point you continued to choose and cut what you did and did not want to debate. Instead of addressing each point brought up, you have decided to only try to latch onto specific sentences or points. You didn't answer or address anything I said or rebutted. Also, when Sci pointed out, just as I did, that all these "links" you were giving us had no impact on the points about the Doctor's possible social status (you may want to reference the "IMHO" tag at the end of Sci's first post on the subect btw), you simply started hounding him about his misinterpretation of whether the Doctor had said he was part of the Faculty. Which, btw, is also within my own personal "FANON" (want to run a spellcheck for me?) but you don't see me trying to enforce that opinion as inflexible fact.
What it boils down to is that you didn't particularly care for Sci (and my own) personal theories of the Doctor's childhood and background. It conflicted with your own personal theories, and you disagree.
Well, like I said, fine. Disagree. I'm not sitting here trying to change your mind. But, in return, don't try and enforce your personal vision on me as fact, when it is clearly just as speculative as anyone else's pet fantasies...
And if you notice only one link goes back to Wiki, but then I could pull up more references from the Doctor Who Index site or the official BBC site if you wish and I only corrected your misspelling after you fkept shoving it in my face as some kind of explaination. You ask for onscreen proof and I gave it you yet you complain after I bring up proof, but you've not provideed any proof. MY way of thinking isn't rigid I just accept the show as is without adding my own point of view as I've done for more than 30 years now, yet again the answers are in the show or not depending on what's been revealed so far.
And all of this side bar has nothing to do with the topic nor did I bring it up.
^Oh and btw, a spelling error on a made-up word? You, of all people, really want to try that one with me?
I know it's a make up word yet you keep mispelling it.
You really are not in a position to call anybody's language skills in to question (99% of the people on this board aren't, myself included).
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Grammar nazism isn't becoming of anyone, and (as shown here) it usually only serves to expose the hypocrisy of the accuser. So let's not throw stones in our glass house, eh?
This entire argument is silly, and you really have cheek to have a go at The when you've been the most obtuse person in this thread?
I don't know if the Time Lords had a working class, or anything equivalent. I think it's likely for a clearly and staunchly hierarchical society to have one, but all of us are just speculating based on the very little information on Time Lord civilisation we can glean from the series. That's my position, in case it wasn't clear.
But none - absolutely none of the arguments you've put forward preclude the idea, or even discourage the notion, of a Gallifreyan working class. Not a single one. Yet you're behaving as if your reasoning is impeccable and we're all morons for not subscribing to it.
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