Was Tennant *Your* Doctor?

[diankra]

Pertwee was my first Doctor, Tom was MY Doctor (and my little, brainwashed, sister's) and now Hartnell is my mother's Doctor (even though mum didn't watch it at the time). Davison and Troughton come close second in almost all of our lists...

The good thing is that there isn't a real failure among them. And I feel a bit guilty that Davison is drifting to the bottom of my Top 10, (cos Troughton and Tom are clearly brilliant, so is Eccleston,and Hartnell seems better everytime I watch a new DVD ...)

 

[captcalhoun]

Tennant
McCoy
Pertwee
T. Baker
P. Troughton
Eccleston
McGann

the others trail behind simply because i haven't seen enough of them or enough recently...

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I accept them all as the Doctor except for Peter and Colin, with those guys I just never "feel" it, the actors seem like nice guys but they just never seem to really be The Doctor for me.

 

[Kelthaz]

Eccleston was my first Doctor, but Troughton is my Doctor. Tennant ranks somewhere near the bottom.

 

[Mordock]

If I understand the concept of a chav properly, no. I want a working class revolutionary, not a working class asshole.

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for. If he's working-class, he's a disgraceful layabout...

 

[Sci]

I'm waiting to see a rough, weathered Doctor who looks like a working class rebel and not a product of academia come again some day.

What Tom Baker didn't count?

I'm not saying that there hasn't been a Doctor like that before. I am, in fact, basically wishing for someone like Christopher Eccleston, who seemed very much a product of the working class, to come along again.

I want a Doctor who doesn't speak in an RP or Estuary accent, basically.

If I understand the concept of a chav properly, no. I want a working class revolutionary, not a working class asshole.

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for.

Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

 

[Mordock]

If I understand the concept of a chav properly, no. I want a working class revolutionary, not a working class asshole.

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for.

Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

I'm not criticizing working-class people, I'm criticizing the Doctor. Whatever revolutionary frame you may try to put him in, he seems inordinately interested in impressing very young women with his flash stolen vehicle...

 

[Sci]

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for.

Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

I'm not criticizing working-class people, I'm criticizing the Doctor. Whatever revolutionary frame you may try to put him in, he seems inordinately interested in impressing very young women with his flash stolen vehicle...

Touche. Though I would point out that the Doctor manages to overthrow governments often enough that they'd probably let that whole "impress the chicks with my ride" habit slide in the Interstellar Revolutionaries' Association.

 

[DWF]

I'm waiting to see a rough, weathered Doctor who looks like a working class rebel and not a product of academia come again some day.

What Tom Baker didn't count?

I'm not saying that there hasn't been a Doctor like that before. I am, in fact, basically wishing for someone like Christopher Eccleston, who seemed very much a product of the working class, to come along again.

I want a Doctor who doesn't speak in an RP or Estuary accent, basically.

If I understand the concept of a chav properly, no. I want a working class revolutionary, not a working class asshole.

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for.

Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

The Doctor's a Prydonian so no matter what he sounds like he'll still know what fork to use for his dessert.

 

[Starkers]

Tom was my first Doctor (though I have some tiny child recolelctions of Pertwee that may or not not be actual memories) but Davison will always be My Doctor.

I'll miss Tennant, but it is time for a change and I'm really looking forward to Smith!

 

[Sci]

What Tom Baker didn't count?

I'm not saying that there hasn't been a Doctor like that before. I am, in fact, basically wishing for someone like Christopher Eccleston, who seemed very much a product of the working class, to come along again.

I want a Doctor who doesn't speak in an RP or Estuary accent, basically.

I've heard this wish expressed before, and I'll never understand it. Even setting aside for a moment the unmotivated upper-class defector explanation set forth in "The Deadly Assassin", working-class people have trades and jobs in those trades and ties to their communities, all of which the Doctor-pardon the pun-has no time for.

Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

The Doctor's a Prydonian so no matter what he sounds like he'll still know what fork to use for his dessert.

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

 

[DWF]

I'm not saying that there hasn't been a Doctor like that before. I am, in fact, basically wishing for someone like Christopher Eccleston, who seemed very much a product of the working class, to come along again.

I want a Doctor who doesn't speak in an RP or Estuary accent, basically.



Right, because working class people have never been revolutionaries or politically active or rebellious or anything.

The Doctor's a Prydonian so no matter what he sounds like he'll still know what fork to use for his dessert.

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

No, you've not been attention to the series if you think that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)#The_Doctor.27s_childhood

Little is known about the Doctor's childhood. During "The Girl in the Fireplace", Madame de Pompadour "saw" memories of his childhood during a telepathic session between the two and commented that it was "so lonely". However, when asked if he has a brother in "Smith and Jones", the Doctor simply replied "not anymore." In the same episode, he mentioned "playing with Röntgen blocks in the nursery." He was also once good friends with the Master.
In "The Time Monster", the Doctor says he grew up in a house on the side of a mountain, and talks about a hermit who lived under a tree behind the house and inspired the Doctor when he was depressed. In the BBC novel The Nightmare of Black Island the Doctor stated his favourite childhood story was Moxx In Socks. The Doctor, then played by Jon Pertwee (Planet of the Spiders) met up with one of his teachers who was possibly the hermit mentioned. In the 1996 television movie, he says he remembers watching a meteor shower with his father.
In "The Sound of Drums" (2007), the Doctor describes a Time Lord Academy initiation ceremony where, at the age of eight, Time Lord children are made to look into the Untempered Schism, a gap in space and time where they could view the time vortex. Some are inspired, some go mad (as he suggests happened to his nemesis, the Master), and some run away. When asked which he was, he replies, "Oh, the ones that ran away – I never stopped!"

 

[Sci]

The Doctor's a Prydonian so no matter what he sounds like he'll still know what fork to use for his dessert.

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

No, you've not been attention to the series if you think that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)#The_Doctor.27s_childhood

Little is known about the Doctor's childhood. During "The Girl in the Fireplace", Madame de Pompadour "saw" memories of his childhood during a telepathic session between the two and commented that it was "so lonely". However, when asked if he has a brother in "Smith and Jones", the Doctor simply replied "not anymore." In the same episode, he mentioned "playing with Röntgen blocks in the nursery." He was also once good friends with the Master.
In "The Time Monster", the Doctor says he grew up in a house on the side of a mountain, and talks about a hermit who lived under a tree behind the house and inspired the Doctor when he was depressed. In the BBC novel The Nightmare of Black Island the Doctor stated his favourite childhood story was Moxx In Socks. The Doctor, then played by Jon Pertwee (Planet of the Spiders) met up with one of his teachers who was possibly the hermit mentioned. In the 1996 television movie, he says he remembers watching a meteor shower with his father.
In "The Sound of Drums" (2007), the Doctor describes a Time Lord Academy initiation ceremony where, at the age of eight, Time Lord children are made to look into the Untempered Schism, a gap in space and time where they could view the time vortex. Some are inspired, some go mad (as he suggests happened to his nemesis, the Master), and some run away. When asked which he was, he replies, "Oh, the ones that ran away – I never stopped!"

And nothing about that description establishes or implies that the Doctor's family were not poor or working class.

 

[DWF]

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

No, you've not been attention to the series if you think that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)#The_Doctor.27s_childhood

Little is known about the Doctor's childhood. During "The Girl in the Fireplace", Madame de Pompadour "saw" memories of his childhood during a telepathic session between the two and commented that it was "so lonely". However, when asked if he has a brother in "Smith and Jones", the Doctor simply replied "not anymore." In the same episode, he mentioned "playing with Röntgen blocks in the nursery." He was also once good friends with the Master.
In "The Time Monster", the Doctor says he grew up in a house on the side of a mountain, and talks about a hermit who lived under a tree behind the house and inspired the Doctor when he was depressed. In the BBC novel The Nightmare of Black Island the Doctor stated his favourite childhood story was Moxx In Socks. The Doctor, then played by Jon Pertwee (Planet of the Spiders) met up with one of his teachers who was possibly the hermit mentioned. In the 1996 television movie, he says he remembers watching a meteor shower with his father.
In "The Sound of Drums" (2007), the Doctor describes a Time Lord Academy initiation ceremony where, at the age of eight, Time Lord children are made to look into the Untempered Schism, a gap in space and time where they could view the time vortex. Some are inspired, some go mad (as he suggests happened to his nemesis, the Master), and some run away. When asked which he was, he replies, "Oh, the ones that ran away – I never stopped!"

And nothing about that description establishes or implies that the Doctor's family were not poor or working class.

He's a Prydonian you don't become one without some kind of connections.

PRYDONIANS One of the Time Lords' colleges. Others include the Arcalians and the Patrexes. Their colors were red and gold. The Doctor, Drax, Chancellor Goth and, presumably, Borusa and the Master, were Prydonians (4P).

He named all of his schools when submitted himself for Time Lord Presidency in The Invasion Of Time.

 

[The]

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

I tend to agree with this take on who The Doctor is. He is, in my mind, the Good Will Hunting of Time Lords. Naturally brilliant, rebellious as all hell, abandoned, and possibly abused. A 'street urchin' that clawed his way from nothing using just his wits and drive. And then, like the main character of Gattaca finally making it off-planet, was initiated by the schism and transformed from being a Gallifreyan boy, into a Time Lord. An impetus to "Run" in him, showcasing the scared little boy he's always been, while at the same time outlining his craving for adventure and exploration.

His overall morale guidelines that give him the impetus for spreading good will seems to have been learned primarily outside his own species, though. From various masters of various subjects, and teachers, philosophers, and scholars throughout time and space. And it would have to be humans that, in the end, showed him how to be brave, and how to allow himself empathy. The instinct seemed to be there already. But, it was Ian and Barbara, two simple humans, that gave him the courage to take that next step in his personal evolution....not just as a hero, and not just as a rebel, but as a man.

 

[The]

He's a Prydonian you don't become one without some kind of connections.

Says who? None of this was ever explored in the series, except for one, single episode. Everything else has been Fannon created around it...

 

[Sci]

He's a Prydonian you don't become one without some kind of connections.

PRYDONIANS One of the Time Lords' colleges. Others include the Arcalians and the Patrexes. Their colors were red and gold. The Doctor, Drax, Chancellor Goth and, presumably, Borusa and the Master, were Prydonians (4P).

He named all of his schools when submitted himself for Time Lord Presidency in The Invasion Of Time.

Yeah, and Pip had great expectations. So the hell what?

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

I tend to agree with this take on who The Doctor is. He is, in my mind, the Good Will Hunting of Time Lords. Naturally brilliant, rebellious as all hell, abandoned, and possibly abused. A 'street urchin' that clawed his way from nothing using just his wits and drive. And then, like the main character of Gattaca finally making it off-planet, was initiated by the schism and transformed from being a Gallifreyan boy, into a Time Lord. An impetus to "Run" in him, showcasing the scared little boy he's always been, while at the same time outlining his craving for adventure and exploration.

His overall morale guidelines that give him the impetus for spreading good will seems to have been learned primarily outside his own species, though. From various masters of various subjects, and teachers, philosophers, and scholars throughout time and space. And it would have to be humans that, in the end, showed him how to be brave, and how to allow himself empathy. The instinct seemed to be there already. But, it was Ian and Barbara, two simple humans, that gave him the courage to take that next step in his personal evolution....not just as a hero, and not just as a rebel, but as a man.

On this, The, you and I are in complete agreement.

 

[DWF]

Given the Doctor's reference to having been a child abandoned out in the cold in "The Empty Child," I'm inclined to argue that the Doctor was born to a poor family who abandoned him, but he then managed to get into the Time Lord Academy because he was so brilliant. He may know which fork to use for his dessert and he may have been brought into the upper class of Time Lord society, but I don't think it's his "natural habitat." He wasn't born to the purple, even if he became very good at pretending he was.

Just IMO, of course.

I tend to agree with this take on who The Doctor is. He is, in my mind, the Good Will Hunting of Time Lords. Naturally brilliant, rebellious as all hell, abandoned, and possibly abused. A 'street urchin' that clawed his way from nothing using just his wits and drive. And then, like the main character of Gattaca finally making it off-planet, was initiated by the schism and transformed from being a Gallifreyan boy, into a Time Lord. An impetus to "Run" in him, showcasing the scared little boy he's always been, while at the same time outlining his craving for adventure and exploration.

His overall morale guidelines that give him the impetus for spreading good will seems to have been learned primarily outside his own species, though. From various masters of various subjects, and teachers, philosophers, and scholars throughout time and space. And it would have to be humans that, in the end, showed him how to be brave, and how to allow himself empathy. The instinct seemed to be there already. But, it was Ian and Barbara, two simple humans, that gave him the courage to take that next step in his personal evolution....not just as a hero, and not just as a rebel, but as a man.

He was a man, he was a father, grandfather and he had a family that didn't throw him out, he joined the academy and later left Gallifrey for a variety of reasons. It was until after he met Barbara and Ian that he learned there were evil things in the universe that needed to be fought and this was arguement to the Time Lords in his first trial and they acknowledged that so they let him go.

The first Doctor referred to himself as citizen of the universe and a gentlemen to boot. I'm not even sure the Time Lords have a working class since they didn't do much of anything.

 

[DWF]

He's a Prydonian you don't become one without some kind of connections.

Says who? None of this was ever explored in the series, except for one, single episode. Everything else has been Fannon created around it...

Unless you the four parter The Deadly Assassin, that was hardly one single ep.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/deadlyassassin/detail.shtml

Time Lord chapters include the Prydonians (the 'notoriously devious' sect to whom the Doctor belongs, colour coded scarlet and orange), Arcalians (green) and Patrexes (heliotrope). Spandrell makes a derogatory remark about Sheboogans [who appear to be the Gallifreyan equivalent of hooligans. They are not the Outsiders seen in The Invasion of Time.] Engin gives Earth its Gallifreyan name ('Sol 3 in Mutter's Spiral'), which is described as 'an interesting little planet'.

I'm not the one making up things about the Doctor's past that run contrary to what we know happened in the past.

 

[The]

He was a man,

Check. Still is, I believe.

he was a father

Check.

grandfather

Check.

and he had a family that didn't throw him out

Incorrect. We know nothing about his family and what their relationship with him was.

he joined the academy and later left Gallifrey for a variety of reasons.

Check, and I believe only two have been given, right? One he said he was "bored". The other one was just Tom Baker mentioning something about when he stole the TARDIS, why he didn't take one that worked...."Well, I was in a hurry at the time..." Other than that, anything else is guess-work.

It was until after he met Barbara and Ian that he learned there were evil things in the universe that needed to be fought and this was arguement to the Time Lords in his first trial and they acknowledged that so they let him go.

Check, just as I would believe, given his actions, he learned morality and compassion from them. But, the Time Lords didn't "let him go". What are you talking about? He was exiled for the next...what...three years to Earth as Jon Pertwee?

The first Doctor referred to himself as citizen of the universe and a gentlemen to boot.

And the 9th Doctor referred to himself as The Oncoming Storm. I don't see your point.

I'm not even sure the Time Lords have a working class since they didn't do much of anything.

We don't know what they do, if anything, as they've never been fully explored by the show...