Was pretty excited for this show.. but ultimately underwhelmed...

[TRON JA307020]

You can't criticise Starfleet for abandoning refugees and yet accept them being willing to commit genocide. You're moving goal posts because you don't like STP. And section 31 were the tool Starfleet used to keep their hands clean as evidenced by Admiral Ross's relationship with them.

They had no ships and as it turns out the Romulan destroyed the shipyard. So yeah it’s not Starfleets fault.

again Starfleet never destroyed the borg. They are still a threat and will probably try assimilating earth again. But that’s ok as long as Starfleet doesn’t kill the borg assimilation is fine.

 

[fireproof78]

They had no ships and as it turns out the Romulan destroyed the shipyard. So yeah it’s not Starfleets fault.

again Starfleet never destroyed the borg. They are still a threat and will probably try assimilating earth again. But that’s ok as long as Starfleet doesn’t kill the borg assimilation is fine.

Sense...this makes none.

Starfleet was killing to commit genocide on the Borg and ordered Picard to do so if given the opportunity. Just because they haven't doesn't make it OK.

 

[JesterFace]

I haven't watched this Picard series so maybe I'm not qualified to say much about it.

But, I'll say that after reading things about this series and what happened in it, the only way I could have interest is if season 2 throws season 1 into the dumpster as if it never happened.

 

[fireproof78]

I haven't watched this Picard series so maybe I'm not qualified to say much about it.

But, I'll say that after reading things about this series and what happened in it, the only way I could have interest is if season 2 throws season 1 into the dumpster as if it never happened.

I don't see that as a fair assessment at all.

 

[Lord Garth]

If I went by the mock outrage of people online, I'd never watch anything.

 

[fireproof78]

If I went by the mock outrage of people online, I'd never watch anything.

Yup..I missed out on Into Darkness in theaters because of online chatter.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Sense...this makes none.

Starfleet was killing to commit genocide on the Borg and ordered Picard to do so if given the opportunity. Just because they haven't doesn't make it OK.

Again is was either lose all of earth and hundreds of other worlds from the borg or do the same to them. The borg were forcing their hand. The borg were the ones that were hell bent on destroying the human race and obliterating everything. What exactly did you expect Starfleet to do. Open up negotiations? We know that wouldn’t work because the borg dont negotiate. Also the borg were a collective one mind. One queen. They we’re automatons not individuals.

 

[Lord Garth]

Yup..I missed out on Into Darkness in theaters because of online chatter.

I think I might actually re-watch these movies over the weekend. I haven't seen the 2009 Film in nine years. And I only saw Into Darkness and Beyond once each when they were in the theater. So it's been a while.

 

[fireproof78]

Again is was either lose all of earth and hundreds of other worlds from the borg or do the same to them. The borg were forcing their hand. The borg were the ones that were hell bent on destroying the human race and obliterating everything. What exactly did you expect Starfleet to do. Open up negotiations? We know that wouldn’t work because the borg dont negotiate. Also the borg were a collective one mind. One queen. They we’re automatons not individuals.

So genocide is ok in special circumstances? Got it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I haven't watched this Picard series so maybe I'm not qualified to say much about it.

But, I'll say that after reading things about this series and what happened in it, the only way I could have interest is if season 2 throws season 1 into the dumpster as if it never happened.

I agree. You're not qualified to say much about it.

 

[Makarov]

Picard went against Starfleet and his own feelings towards the borg to do the right thing with that borg incident. But their orders are pretty understandable too, they had no choice.

And that time Starfleet higher ups weren't just fools falling for a romulan deception, the borg were capable and motivated to assimilate everybody.

 

[Dukhat]

I haven't watched this Picard series so maybe I'm not qualified to say much about it.

But, I'll say that after reading things about this series and what happened in it, the only way I could have interest is if season 2 throws season 1 into the dumpster as if it never happened.

Like it or don’t like it. But don’t judge it based on what other people say about it, if you haven’t seen it yourself. Because believe it or not, most people on the internet don’t know what they’re talking about. If I just listened to a bunch of assholes on the internet, I never would have discovered how awesome The Orville is.

 

[JesterFace]

I don't see that as a fair assessment at all.

If I went by the mock outrage of people online, I'd never watch anything.

I agree. You're not qualified to say much about it.

Like it or don’t like it. But don’t judge it based on what other people say about it, if you haven’t seen it yourself. Because believe it or not, most people on the internet don’t know what they’re talking about. If I just listened to a bunch of assholes on the internet, I never would have discovered how awesome The Orville is.

Let me defend myself a little by saying that I'm not basing my interest in this series by what other people think of it but by the things that apparently happened in the show. Killing some characters from TNG's greatest episodes is a big no no. Then killing two TNG main characters, even a bigger no no. I don't want to experience that because I have a suspicion that everytime I watch those older "classic" episodes, they would be kind of ruined. Knowing what 'Picard' series did with those characters is enough. I don't need anything taken away from TNG by 'Picard' series and I'm not going to risk it any time soon.
Some say "what an idiot". From a different perspective I might be but fortunately I get to decide how to look at this situation.

 

[Turtletrekker]

But... They didn't kill any of the greatest characters in Star Trek. Bruce Maddox? Please. Icheb? Largely forgettable supporting character. Data was already dead. And, despite what others might want to believe, Picard was not killed. He is alive and well.

Besides, Star Trek has never shied away from killing popular supporting characters in the past. Keyhlar anyone? Sarek? Kor?

 

[fireproof78]

Let me defend myself a little by saying that I'm not basing my interest in this series by what other people think of it but by the things that apparently happened in the show. Killing some characters from TNG's greatest episodes is a big no no. Then killing two TNG main characters, even a bigger no no. I don't want to experience that because I have a suspicion that everytime I watch those older "classic" episodes, they would be kind of ruined. Knowing what 'Picard' series did with those characters is enough. I don't need anything taken away from TNG by 'Picard' series and I'm not going to risk it any time soon.
Some say "what an idiot". From a different perspective I might be but fortunately I get to decide how to look at this situation.

What is ruined though? Do their adventures mean less because in the future they fall on hard times?

Because, I don't think that makes sense.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Then killing two TNG main characters, even a bigger no no.

Data's second death has got to be the silliest source of nerdrage ever. He was already dead--they left him the way they found him!

 

[Jinn]

Data's second death has got to be the silliest source of nerdrage ever. He was already dead--they left him the way they found him!

Basically same with Jean-Luc...

 

[JesterFace]

I guess we all watch Star Trek in our own way.

Bruce Maddox, he was a douche but at the same time part of one of the best episodes of TNG.
Icheb? One of the reasons I originally thought this series might not be my thing was Voyager characters. Not a huge fan of VGR, sorry. However I am a fan of Jeri Ryans.... you know.
K'Ehleyr and Sarek died during TNG. Death is unavoidable. It's a different thing when a character dies during a favorite series or afterwards in some weak movie or series remake attempt. (I know it's not a TNG remake but close enough to call it that)
Data was already dead? No he wasn't in my little world. 'Nemesis' is such a poor movie, I think all TNG movies suck so I just avoid them. Maybe Trek forums aren't my place because I tend to headcanonize things quite much.

 

[JesterFace]

Data's second death has got to be the silliest source of nerdrage ever. He was already dead--they left him the way they found him!

I guess killing a loved character only once wasn't enough.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess we all watch Star Trek in our own way.

Bruce Maddox, he was a douche but at the same time part of one of the best episodes of TNG.
Icheb? One of the reasons I originally thought this series might not be my thing was Voyager characters. Not a huge fan of VGR, sorry. However I am a fan of Jeri Ryans.... you know.
K'Ehleyr and Sarek died during TNG. Death is unavoidable. It's a different thing when a character dies during a favorite series or afterwards in some weak movie or series remake attempt. (I know it's not a TNG remake but close enough to call it that)
Data was already dead? No he wasn't in my little world. 'Nemesis' is such a poor movie, I think all TNG movies suck so I just avoid them. Maybe Trek forums aren't my place because I tend to headcanonize things quite much.

How very selective. So, watching Picard should change nothing.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think someone who doesn't want to watch Picard wouldn't be posting in the forum. Especially over three months after the season finished. So interest is there. A TNG Fan who truly doesn't want to watch PIC and isn't interested in it in any shape or form would be sticking to the TNG Forum.

Guinan: Am I disturbing you?

Ro: Yes.

Guinan: Good. You look like someone who wants to be disturbed.

Ro: I'd rather be alone.

Guinan: Oh, no you wouldn't.

Ro: I beg your pardon?

Guinan: If you wanted to be alone, you would've stayed in your quarters. The only reason to come here is to be amongst people.

Ro: Who are you?

Guinan: My name is Guinan. I tend bar, and I listen.

 

[JesterFace]

How very selective.

Why not.

I think someone who doesn't want to watch Picard wouldn't be posting in the forum. Especially over three months after the season finished. So interest is there. A TNG Fan who truly doesn't want to watch PIC and isn't interested in it in any shape or form would be sticking to the TNG Forum.

It's Jean-Luc Picard, how can I say there is absolutely no interest? But since it seems I'm no longer welcome here, this will most likely be my last post in this 'Picard' section of the forum for a while.

 

[fireproof78]

It's Jean-Luc Picard, how can I say there is absolutely no interest?

I don't know? Picard was not the draw for me; the Romulans are.

But, if you are willing to ignore Nemesis why not try Picard? You can always ignore it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Prior to Picard, even though I'm a more of a Kirk guy, I liked Picard as a character more than the actual series he was in. The deck was stacked in Picard's favor in TNG. Now it's not. In PIC the story puts Picard into situations that test the character's metal on a regular basis, while before that only happened in TNG's best episodes. Watching a character being legitimately challenged is what makes for compelling viewing. At least from my end. Solving the mystery of the week and lecturing a backwards species we'll never see again isn't.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Why not.


It's Jean-Luc Picard, how can I say there is absolutely no interest? But since it seems I'm no longer welcome here, this will most likely be my last post in this 'Picard' section of the forum for a while.

you have just as much right to post here as anyone. We watched tng and loved it so of course we have a interest in Picard the character and hoped they would do it right. They haven’t imo so I can post that disappointment here as you can.