Was pretty excited for this show.. but ultimately underwhelmed...

[TRON JA307020]

Not to mention, it was a copy of his consciousness. It was copied to McCoy, then that copy was copied to NuSpock. Functionally there is no difference, except the copy was kept in an bio-organic receptical instead of a synthetic receptical.

No it was more like his soul. When the deaged Spock was growing he was still in there when they combined his Katra back to his original body after it had grown back to it's proper age putting the Katra back and combined with his body jump-started his body,mind and Katra all at once. So no it wasn't a copy. It was three different parts that hard to get back to the same place.

 

[EnderAKH]

No it was more like his soul. When the deaged Spock was growing he was still in there when they combined his Katra back to his original body after it had grown back to it's proper age putting the Katra back and combined with his body jump-started his body,mind and Katra all at once. So no it wasn't a copy. It was three different parts that hard to get back to the same place.

If you believe it was Spock's soul, it's easily as easy to believe Picard's soul was transferred as well. Honestly, functionally, there is no difference between the two.

 

[fireproof78]

If you believe it was Spock's soul, it's easily as easily to believe Picard's soul was transferred as well. Honestly, functionally, there is no difference between the two.

Indeed.

 

[TRON JA307020]

If you believe it was Spock's soul, it's easily as easily to believe Picard's soul was transferred as well. Honestly, functionally, there is no difference between the two.

There is a difference. Spock's was a biological function built into the biology or his species. Picard's is artificial. His mind was mapped and copied and put into a electronic brain. Completely different.

 

[EnderAKH]

There is a difference. Spock's was a biological function built into the biology or his species. Picard's is artificial. His mind was mapped and copied and put into a electronic brain. Completely different.

All we are are biological machines. Same process, different hardware. And while it may have been built into Vulcans, it was NOT built into humans. There would have been no biological function built into McCoy to hold Spock's katra, so you can't say it is a function of biology. It is a metaphysical process. And if there is a "soul", there is no reason it could not have stayed attached to Picard's consciousness as it was transferred.

 

[TRON JA307020]

All we are are biological machines. Same process, different hardware. And while it may have been built into Vulcans, it was NOT built into humans. There would have been no biological function built into McCoy to hold Spock's katra, so you can't say it is a function of biology. It is a metaphysical process. And if there is a "soul", there is no reason it could not have stayed attached to Picard's consciousness as it was transferred.

Remember it was a copy so in reality the real Picard died and his memories were copied and transfered into the Android. The real Picard's consciousness is gone and what we now see is a new and different creature. I can't even liken it to a twin because it isn't human.

 

[EnderAKH]

Remember it was a copy so in reality the real Picard died and his memories were copied and transfered into the Android. The real Picard's consciousness is gone and what we now see is a new and different creature. I can't even liken it to a twin because it isn't human.

Again... functionally no different. Will he talk, act, react and emote like Jean Luc Picard? Then what you are talking about is a distinction without a difference.

 

[garakvsneelix]

I agree 100% that serialised stuff is harder to rewatch since it's an investment of 10-15 hours (or a lot more in DS9's case) rather than 45 minutes and life doesn't always allow that. But I still enjoy modern TV for what it is.

I'm of the opposite view. I can watch serialized shows more easily because I can go from one to the next. I want to see what will happen next.

Well, I wouldn't just talk about the difference between serialised stuff and procedural stuff, but I would say, that it's harder for serialised stuff to earn rewatchebility (when it comes to the first time of watching, I also would agree Lord Gareth), because it all depends on the way the story goes and the finale:

- When a procedural has an ending, I'm not totally happy with, it doesn't have an effect an all the stand-alones between the few arc-episodes. Than I can easily 'forget' about it and enjoy the rest. I didn't like the storylines in 'Eureka', but I can still watch the episodes, because I like all the crazy technique ideas in the standalones.

- When a serial has an ending, I didn't like much, it has a great effect to all the episodes before, that lead to this ending. I just don't see the point in it. I enjoyed a lot of episodes of LOST or GoT (and they both will always have some of the best scenes/episodes ever), but since the end were such a great disapointment, I never had the motivation of a rewatch.

For me, both arcs - PIC season 1 and DSC season 2 - had a very disapointing resolution.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If he thinks he's Picard and he's played by Patrick Stewart, that's good enough for me.

 

[JesterFace]

Psssst...he was already dead.... They killed him in Nemesis.....

I wonder, how many more times does Brent want to kill Data. Will two be enough?

 

[Random_Spock]

If he thinks he's Picard and he's played by Patrick Stewart, that's good enough for me.

Same here. I'm just appreciating being able to see these characters again. Not to mention being aware of the fact that it might be the last time.

 

[Makarov]

Judging by how long this series focuses on Picard's illness, I expect they will explore his new body for only 1-2 episodes max in season 2

 

[fireproof78]

I hope they explore it more.

 

[Random_Spock]

I hope they explore it more.

I hope so too, such as the repercussions, how his friends, etc, react to it and so on, and if there are any residual memories he has to deal with from being a Borg.

 

[Jadeb]

Didn't we already solve death in The Search For Spock and aging in TNG's Unnatural Selection?

The genius of Spock’s convoluted resurrection is that it couldn’t be universally applied. Not many dead people have a healthy spare body ... until Picard made it so.

 

[fireproof78]

I hope so too, such as the repercussions, how his friends, etc, react to it and so on, and if there are any residual memories he has to deal with from being a Borg.

Indeed. I think it is an opportunity to explore more transhuman technological implications of current tech.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I wonder, how many more times does Brent want to kill Data. Will two be enough?

"Oh my god, they killed Data!"
"You bastards!!!"

 

[Jadeb]

When Patrick Stewart passes away, a lot of you will suddenly appreciate this series more as one his later if not last performances. Then you'll realize how you come off right now and that you didn't appreciate what was in front of you while it was still around because all you can see is in the moment and winning some stupid internet debate.

This can be the new “Sir Patrick thinks X, so who are you to disagree?”

I’ll be sad when Shatner dies, too, but that won’t make Turnabout Intruder good.

 

[fireproof78]

This can be the new “Sir Patrick thinks X, so who are you to disagree?”

I’ll be sad when Shatner dies, too, but that won’t make Turnabout Intruder good.

You think Picard is like Turnaround Intruder?

 

[Jadeb]

You think Picard is like Turnaround Intruder?

No, not at all. I liked it, overall, and I’d say I’m more positive about it than many here. But I think people should be free to have their opinions without feeling some obligation to the franchise or its stars. My love for the TOS crew doesn’t mean I have to think everything they did was good.