I'm glad you came around on it after our back & forth in the other thread!
Was pretty excited for this show.. but ultimately underwhelmed...
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Thank you. I was very surprised by how much I identified with Picard and his depressive struggles. Made a difference for me.
Hes is a picard. A copy ("imprinted" per dialogue) but NOT the Picard. The human Picard is dead and buried now.
Better pacing. I did enjoy the first 9 eps. But the pacing hurt them.
I mean, VOY had a copy of Kim for the rest of the season and that didn't seem to impact the story at all...
I dunno, I think the Mintakans would revere him now more than ever.
I mean, VOY had a copy of Kim for the rest of the season and that didn't seem to impact the story at all...
Well see that is the thing. I mentioned that episode and the Farscape episode where they were all Twined.
In Voyager went dont know if they are all copies or each 100% equal and if not we never know if Kim is the least original or the voyager crew....so its left up in the air and that's why it doesn't affect the story. Plus at least they are still human.
In the Farscape episode the entire main cast are split in two. With each of their doubles being equal and original. It was an well done episode if you haven't seen it...check it out....
In both those episodes all the characters remained human. Picard is not...
...and?
Sorry, I'm sure I'm coming across as insensitive but Trek is about strange new worlds and the human adventure. And now, a human consciousness has been copied in to a robot body. That's cutting edge transhumanism that science fiction is built upon! Also, not without precedence in Star Trek with Sargon.
Also, Picard no longer being in a human body makes him less human? So, Data was less valuable because of his pursuit to become more human? Is Picard's journey somehow lesser because he is a copied consciousness?
Yes it is lesser because it's not the same character and hes not human. The other two shows I mentioned did a better job.
How is he a different character if he acts just like Picard? Same with Harry Kim (complete quantum duplicate) and Sargon's consciousness could literally be downloaded in to a robotic body. Chakotay managed to have a disembodied consciousness too.
So what if other shows did a better job (subjective)? You're telling me that this isn't a science fiction concept worth exploring? O_o
If they put Picards actual living brain in the synthetic body I would have been fine with that. But they didnt. Harry Kim was not a robot. He was still human. I have no interest in seeing a Picard robot.
But, why? It's Picard's consciousness, copy or not. Same way B4 was treated as Data in the comic series.
But, this is science fiction-why not enjoy these concepts since they are being discussed in the real world today?
Just not something I'm interested in seeing.
Because the difference is so staggering...???
Ok, agree to disagree and on and on because thus far it makes no sense.
Regardless, I don't see how Star Trek doing science fiction things is bad...?
But this is a distinction without a difference. As far as the writers are concerned, this is the same guy. So the choices the character makes, the reactions he has, the things he says will literally be the same whether he is a "copied consciousness" or a brain moved into a synthetic body. There will be no difference except in your head, he will be written the exact same way. So if the character will be written as the same guy, why does it matter?
It's bizarre seeing Picard being denounced for being "not human" on a Star Trek board. Neither is Data...or Spock.
If they treat it as a copy, and the "real" Picard as dead, then they'll be derided as grimdark faketrek, if they treat him as the real deal they'll be told that that's not how it works and Picard is really dead.
Really, it's a no win scenario.
In regards to the thread title, I wasn't excited at all and I wasn't particularly disappointed. I thought it was pretty much okay, had long stretches of uninteresting episodes, but the few highlights that I liked a lot.
The weird thing is, I have now watched Discovery and while it has its issues....I actually like it a bit more. But it has a pacing problem like Picard. Except it tries to cram too much story in one episode and Picard is too slow.
Not really.
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