Was Chekov busted by Starfleet for the Khan debacle?

[The Toddler]

Tough to say what is going on there as we have no idea what position Chekov holds on the 1701-A (he was security chief in TMP) or if the console he sits at in Star Trek V is the navigation console. Sulu doesn't relay the order to anyone, so it could be intended that helm and navigation are controlled by one console like in TNG which was on the air at the time.

"NAV" is written on the console. When Sulu goes to change course, I think he's doing it at the traditional nav station, right? It's hard to be sure from the camera angle. So that could be the same function done from two different stations in the same movie.

I get the impression that didn't pay as much attention to details like this as they had for The Motion Picture. Just like in the original series, Sulu and Chekov's posts were kind of interchangeable.

Also, later, when Sybok is giving his address to the ship, Chekov seems to be manning both the captain's chair and his usual station, while making a remark about the ship's course.

 

[Karzak]

I thought Sulu's station was "Helm" and Chekov was "Navigator"?

I.e. Sulu was the helmsman, Chekov the navigator (a la TOS). Later on, it's called "the conn" and "Flight Controller" when Geordi, Wesley and later Ro pilot the ship. Not sure what it was called on the Defiant, and Tom Paris was just always called a "pilot" and manned the "conn." On Enterprise though, Mayweather is repeatedly referred to as "helm officer."

The "no authority" line would've been appropriate to anyone attempting to take command of the Enterprise. It seems only a flag officer can relieve someone sitting in the captain's chair (See: "The Doomsday Machine") and that is only in certain circumstance as Admiral Kirk had to go to Admiral Nogura to bump Will Decker from commanding the Enterprise. Chekov was left in command. I doubt Scott could've replaced him and he outranks Chekov.

We saw something similar happen during the first season of TNG -- when Geordi (a lieutenant, j.g.) was left in command of the Enterprise in "Arsenal of Freedom" and Douchenozzle McButthole Logan in Engineering tries to assume command because he's got a higher rank.

Similar thing later one, when Worf and Kira threw down in Sisko's absence -- Worf points out that while she's in charge of the station, he's "commands the Defiant."

All of which is to say, Chekov was totes within his own authority to tell Sulu to fuck off.

 

[nx1701g]

I thought Sulu's station was "Helm" and Chekov was "Navigator"?

I.e. Sulu was the helmsman, Chekov the navigator (a la TOS). Later on, it's called "the conn" and "Flight Controller" when Geordi, Wesley and later Ro pilot the ship. Not sure what it was called on the Defiant, and Tom Paris was just always called a "pilot" and manned the "conn." On Enterprise though, Mayweather is repeatedly referred to as "helm officer."

That's all correct. Sulu was Helm and Chekov was the Navigator. When TNG came along those duties were merged into the Helm position which is the same as Paris on Voyager. In behind the scenes materials it was said that on the Defiant Helm and Ops were merged into one workstation.

 

[Ithekro]

The assumption is that after the time of "Enterprise", navigation became more and more difficult, needing a special station an officer to help navigate the ship through uncharted space now that they were going beyond the old Vulcan star charts and going at speeds up to warp 8 in Kirk and Pike's time

By the time if TNG, the computers had become better and thus the Navigation and Helm stations were merged back into one station again on newer ships. However the complex nature of the Galaxy-class sensor arrays, and other assorted systems required someone to handle the ships Operations most of the time, rather than some of the time, thus the First Officer would be needed for other tasks beside just Operations, so on Galaxy-class and similar large, modern starships, there is a Ops station.

On smaller ships this in not as work intensive so Starfleet could afford to roll that task up with the Flight Control station, or place it elsewhere on the bridge rather than in the traditional "Helm & NAV station" setup from the 23rd century.

 

[Timo]

Or then navigation in Archer's time was still hellishly difficult, and twelve people belowdecks handled that duty while Mayweather just steered the ship as per their instructions. By Kirk's time, automation had reduced the workload so that instead of that department of twelve, Chekov could handle navigation all by himself. And even this was for the sake of conservatism - soon enough, automation completely superseded the man-in-the-loop.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[EnriqueH]

^Nope. I'm not sure Scotty was a part of the Enterprise chain-of-command following the five-year mission, at least as far as bridge duty was concerned. He was still chief engineer, of course. Between 2273-2293, the Enterprise pecking order went something like this:

Kirk ----> Decker (TMP only) ----> Spock ----> Sulu (pre-TUC) ----> Chekov ----> Uhura

Additionally, Saavik was acting first officer (and second officer after Kirk took command) during TWOK, as she took command of the bridge in both Kirk's and Spock's absence in spite of their being more experienced officers around.

--Sran

One thing about Scotty-in-command during the movie era. I had been wondering about this a couple of months ago, and it actually occurred to me that he MIGHT have been in command in TWOK very, very, VERY briefly.

When Kirk, Bones, Carol and co. beam up to the Enterprise from the Genesis cave and Kirk and Spock make their way to the bridge, we see Kirk stroll onto the bridge and ordering, "Battlestations."

I guess we, as viewers, are watching Shatner because he's in motion and, well, he's Shatner: He's got screen presence and a ton of energy.

Well, if you take your eyes away from Shatner, you'll see Scotty standing in the background with nobody in the command chair. (Right around when Scotty makes the "don't give me too many bumps" comment.)

It's not explicit, and certainly he could've been on the bridge checking over battle damage, but he looks like more of a command figure on the bridge when we see him standing there. He doesn't seem to be engaged in any kind of repairs, so he might've been in command.

As for Chekov, it occurs to me---just like some of you---that he might've said, "Eh, screw it. This command thing isn't for me." but it also occurs to me that he gives his rank as "admiral" in TVH (or was that him just realizing that Kirk was speaking to him as he got out of his coma? I always took it as "admiral" being his dream job.)

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^That's an interesting observation, but I'm not sure it's accurate. Kirk explicitly stated that Spock would command the Enterprise in his absence. When Spock went to the transporter room to greet Kirk and brief him on the progress of the repairs, it's likely he left Sulu in command of the bridge rather than summoning Scotty away from engineering, where he'd be most needed with the ship heading into combat. Scotty probably came to the bridge of his own accord to speak with Kirk, who quickly sent him back to engineering once he'd made his report.

--Sran

 

[EnriqueH]

See, I would think that if Scotty just wanted to speak to Kirk, he would've just gone to the transporter room with Spock, or just contacted him from engineering. Why walk to the opposite side of the ship just to talk to Kirk, especially since the lifts were inoperative? I think Scotty was definitely on the bridge doing SOMETHING.

I just saw the scene (at about the 1:18 mark). There actually is a trainee sitting in the command chair when they first walk onto the bridge, and Scotty is standing RIGHT BEHIND the command chair and has a piece of equipment (I think) in his hands; Sulu is at the helm.

It's almost like the trainee was left in command with Scotty supervising the trainee. As Kirk walks in, Scotty isn't engaged in any repairs, so it could be that Scotty was on the bridge replacing something, and was left briefly in command before he could leave so that Spock could greet Kirk and guide him to the bridge through the ladders. Something to the effect of, "Mr. Scott, before you return to engineering, please take the conn while I guide the admiral back to the bridge."

 

[Ithekro]

Maybe he wanted to apologies for the state of the ship in person, but wanted to do it in the bridge as it might have been easier to get their from Engineering rather than to the transporter room. The Turbolift were out below C deck.

 

[EnriqueH]

My lord, I can't believe we got so detailed with this scene! LOL!

What the hell, we love Star Trek, right?