Was Chekov busted by Starfleet for the Khan debacle?

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^I don't see what Takei has to be upset about, to be honest with you. If Sulu had actually been promoted, it's possible Takei would have had only cameos in subsequent films and made far less money than he did co-starring with the other regulars. His vendetta toward Shatner is way past old; there's little doubt Shatner was difficult to work with, but if Takei had that much of a problem with him, he should have stood up to him during the '60s or when the group came back together for TMP. His whining after the fact is petty.

--Sran

 

[Trekkin]

I'd say it was cut because it has no bearing on...anything else in the film. It's not plot relevant, it doesn't really add anything to anyone's characterisation, it's not a brief moment of comic relief etc. Its like Khans line where he actually mentions Marla - it's interesting for us, but in the grand scheme it's a '5 disc, 6 hour extended edition' moment.

Khan's cut line arguably adds more to the movie, because the script calls for him to get choked up and gives him a bit more dimension than 'arrogant and really fucking mad'. Yet for some strange reason, Ricardo didn't seem to hold a grudge about its exclusion for decades.

I thought some people on the BBS had actually seen Sulu's cut scene. I swear it was discussed on a 'cut materials' thread a while back.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

I think the comics (Dc's second series) also had Saavik come back to take over Sulu's old spot when he left to command Excelsior (She then vacated it shortly before TUC so Valeris took over, who in one comic she was jealous of Spock taking her on as his new protege. Which is funny considering the idea was originally that they were the same character.)

 

[JE Smith]

If I recall, in both Star Trek V and VI Chekov sits in the captain's chair when Kirk is away. Spock does not.

Which is odd because, back on TOS, Scotty routinely took command when both Kirk and Spock were away. Yet there's a bit in STAR TREK V where Chekov is definitely in command of the bridge and issuing orders--despite the fact that "Captain Scott" is standing a few feet away.

Did we ever see Scotty in the captain's chair in the movies? I don't think so.

Well, we all know Star Trek V is not canon, so that explains it.

 

[Shat Happens]

A critter ate part of his brain. After that he fell on his head from a great height (ST4) and damaged what was left.

Chekov must be on some sort of Starfleet program for war cripples.

 

[Greg Cox]

I think the comics (Dc's second series) also had Saavik come back to take over Sulu's old spot when he left to command Excelsior (She then vacated it shortly before TUC so Valeris took over, who in one comic she was jealous of Spock taking her on as his new protege. Which is funny considering the idea was originally that they were the same character.)

Some of the books have also gone with the idea that Saavik returns to the Enterprise at some point, possibly replacing Sulu at the helm.

And I remember that comic-book story about Valeris replacing Saavik. As I recall, the issue wasn't just that Saavik was jealous of Valeris, but that she saw a hidden darkness in Valeris (or at least a hint of one) that Spock was oblivious to.

She tries to warn Spock that she has a bad feeling about Valeris, but Spock doesn't want to hear it . . . .

A good story. Possibly written by Howard Weinstein? Or Robert Greenburger? (My memory is failing me here.)

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^I remember that comic, as well. It's too bad Spock didn't listen. I wonder what Saavik said to him after TUC.

--Sran

 

[Greg Cox]

^I remember that comic, as well. It's too bad Spock didn't listen. I wonder what Saavik said to him after TUC.

--Sran

"I believe the humans have an expression, 'I told you so.'"

 

[xvicente]

I have a memory of thet too, I thouight it was just one page.

Man, what wouldn't I give to read that comic again (as long as it was free in the internet of course)

 

[The Toddler]

I always thought that Chekov telling Sulu "You have no authority" in Star Trek V was somewhat uncalled for.

Since Chekov hadn't been relieved of command, Sulu had no authority to change the ship's course.

I just felt it was a mean thing to say to your best friend. The consensus seems to be that Sulu was higher in the chain of command, and for all Chekov knew, Captain Kirk could have even given Sulu the order to change course.

Of course, Chekov could have done a lot of things differently, like sending a medical team to the shuttle bay, sending security to the shuttle bay, etc.

 

[Ithekro]

Those weren't due until Tueday.

The ship's running on barely a skeleton crew as it is.

 

[Karzak]

I always thought that Chekov telling Sulu "You have no authority" in Star Trek V was somewhat uncalled for.

Since Chekov hadn't been relieved of command, Sulu had no authority to change the ship's course.

I just felt it was a mean thing to say to your best friend. The consensus seems to be that Sulu was higher in the chain of command, and for all Chekov knew, Captain Kirk could have even given Sulu the order to change course.

Of course, Chekov could have done a lot of things differently, like sending a medical team to the shuttle bay, sending security to the shuttle bay, etc.

Did you not notice (as Chekov clearly did) that Sybok was taking over the ship and that he had somehow compelled Sulu and Uhura to work for him?

Would you think it inappropriate for Black Widow to say to Hawkeye in the first Avengers film "You have no authority!" when Clint, after being hypnotized/compromised by Loki helps the trickster from Asgard escape with the tesseract?

 

[The Toddler]

I'm just saying he could have been a little nicer. Even Carol Marcus, when she thought her work was being taken away from her, said "on whose authority can they do this?" rather than "you have no authority."

 

[BillJ]

I'm just saying he could have been a little nicer. Even Carol Marcus, when she thought her work was being taken away from her, said "on whose authority can they do this?" rather than "you have no authority."

But it's the military not a Sunday brunch. Sulu had no authority and Chekov called him on it. Being in command, Chekov's first duty is to the Enterprise not his friend.

 

[Ithekro]

Chekov was left in command of the ship by Captain Kirk. He is to remain in command until relieved by the captain or under the captain's orders. Sulu did not have either of those things, as at last report Kirk was alive and well, yet Sulu shows up instead.

 

[The Toddler]

Chekov didn't know that Sulu didn't have the captain's orders. Earlier in the film, Kirk gave the order to plot the course to Nimbus III to Sulu, not Chekov.

Would the "no authority" line have been appropriate if Sulu was the first officer, as some have suggested was the case? I can't see Chekov saying something like that to Spock.

 

[Karzak]

But it's the military not a Sunday brunch.

I'm just saying he could have been a little nicer. Even Carol Marcus, when she thought her work was being taken away from her, said "on whose authority can they do this?" rather than "you have no authority."

Consider the context: Chekov was aware that the whole reason they were there to begin with was that Sybok was the terrorist kidnapper they'd been sent to stop/negotiate with to rescue the hostages) and it makes perfect sense.

Also: By the time of TFF, both Sulu, Uhura and Chekov were full commanders, equal in rank. Chekov had been left in command, and only Kirk, Spock or Scotty could have relieved him.

I think you're being entirely too sensitive to the issue.

 

[The Toddler]

Yes, probably. I'm not saying others' points are invalid, either. It just stands out as an odd interaction between the main characters at this point in the game. The only other incidents I can think of are in VI where Kirk snaps at Uhura about surrendering, and Kirk getting upset with Spock, although the latter was a central part of the plot.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Would the "no authority" line have been appropriate if Sulu was the first officer, as some have suggested was the case? I can't see Chekov saying something like that to Spock.

Well, that's because Spock outranked Chekov; in any case, as Chekov had been left in command until Kirk's return, Sulu did not have the authority to plot a new course, regardless of his billet. Chekov was right to question his actions.

--Sran

 

[BillJ]

Chekov didn't know that Sulu didn't have the captain's orders. Earlier in the film, Kirk gave the order to plot the course to Nimbus III to Sulu, not Chekov.

Tough to say what is going on there as we have no idea what position Chekov holds on the 1701-A (he was security chief in TMP) or if the console he sits at in Star Trek V is the navigation console. Sulu doesn't relay the order to anyone, so it could be intended that helm and navigation are controlled by one console like in TNG which was on the air at the time.

Would the "no authority" line have been appropriate if Sulu was the first officer, as some have suggested was the case? I can't see Chekov saying something like that to Spock.

The "no authority" line would've been appropriate to anyone attempting to take command of the Enterprise. It seems only a flag officer can relieve someone sitting in the captain's chair (See: "The Doomsday Machine") and that is only in certain circumstance as Admiral Kirk had to go to Admiral Nogura to bump Will Decker from commanding the Enterprise. Chekov was left in command. I doubt Scott could've replaced him and he outranks Chekov.