I'd say the most Kirk-like character is really a combo of Picard and Riker in TNG. Picard as the brain and Riker with the charm and manwhore ways.
Was Chakotay the most Kirk-like guy, post-Kirk?
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I'd say the most Kirk-like character is really a combo of Picard and Riker in TNG. Picard as the brain and Riker with the charm and manwhore ways.
Kirk was a walking stack of books with legs when at the Academy (in the Prime universe, that is). I think it was that intelligence coupled with his ability to use it and take positive and decisive action that made him the youngest Starship captain.
I think Kirk and Chakotay would’ve had a great time playing chess. Both were excellent tacticians and willing to take risks, when necessary. Janeway was supposed to be like Kirk, but I think she was sometimes willing to take greater risks than Kirk (not a bad thing, just a difference). The character of Riker was promoted as “the new Kirk,” IIRC--but he couldn’t be that way because they refused to write him that way for the first few seasons (except for his interest in sex).
Yeah, Riker didn't seem nearly intellectual enough to be the next Kirk, as much as I like him. I could see him shouting that a computer was carving them up like a roast, but not talking it to death the way that Kirk could.
I'd say that Chakotay was a cross between Will and Tom Riker. The role of first officer on a later 24th century starship is pretty boring. The problem with Chakotay was that his character was stereotyped and increasingly marginalized as the show progressed. The whole romance between him and Seven just came up out of nowhere. If they had more close interactions I would understand the attraction. I would say that he was the cautious voice of reason to Janeway. It's ironic that it is a role that would normally be occupied by Tuvok. Cobra
Sisko is the most Kirk like
^ Why?
I haven't seen big chunks of DS9, but to me his decision to get married and have a family makes him very un-Kirk-like, on one level, at least.
I haven't seen big chunks of DS9, but to me his decision to get married and have a family makes him very un-Kirk-like, on one level, at least.
Kirk's promiscuity is only one aspect of his character, and, I'll add, limited to the show. Later in the movies, he seems to regret not settling down with a family (Generations for example).
Both Sisko and Kirk on several occasions have disobeyed orders to do the right thing
They're both bad ass tacticians, both mavericks
I'm not saying they're identical, but in my opinion, they're more alike than anyone else
That makes sense.
I wasn't necessarily highlighting Kirk's allegedly easy ways with the ladies, but what I see as his possible fear of commitment, unless we buy that he's already married to the Enterprise.
I wasn't necessarily highlighting Kirk's allegedly easy ways with the ladies, but what I see as his possible fear of commitment, unless we buy that he's already married to the Enterprise.
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I think Archer should get that honor.
Of course he doesn't have Kirk's fighting skills.
Of course he doesn't have Kirk's fighting skills.
Archer getting his ass kicked is one of the best parts of ENT. He's like the 22nd century version of Jim Rockford.
Come to think of it, I would have loved it if they'd have gotten James Garner to play Archer's dad. Or play an admiral that, along with Archer, gets his ass kicked and thrown out of a shuttle at some point during the episode.
Come to think of it, I would have loved it if they'd have gotten James Garner to play Archer's dad. Or play an admiral that, along with Archer, gets his ass kicked and thrown out of a shuttle at some point during the episode.
I think Kirk got his ass handed to him more times in STXI than Archer did in all of Enterprise combined. Cadets, Romulan henchmen, Spock, Ayel, Nero... all in only two hours!
Chuckles? the Modern day Kirk? yeah ummm NO, but this is a good thing, Trek needs a wide range of personnel to appeal to the sci fi community, if every officer was a Kirk the series would fall flat, I was not all that big a fan of Chuckles, even wished him dead in several episodes however I understood what the producers and writers were trying to do, that said I didn't really find the characters personalities to have been all that diverse on voyager to begin with, but I digress...Chuckles is no Kirk
If you are talking about their shared sense of over enonciation then I agree...
Like most Voyager characters, he was whatever the author of the particular episode wanted him to be. I’m watching Nemesis and decided to break for a moment to post when this jumped out at me:
Maybe that does make him Kirk-like.
♬ ♬ Ah, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill. We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men. ♬
BTW, why does everybody in this episode talk so sillily?
Did they simply forget after Caretaker that about half the crew, including Chakotay, were terrorists? The smug attitude of “Where I come from we’re better than that,” when in fact where he comes from he did exactly that, is infuriating.
Maybe that does make him Kirk-like.
♬ ♬ Ah, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill. We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men. ♬
BTW, why does everybody in this episode talk so sillily?
Here's what I think about "Nemesis:"
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4623301&postcount=294
In four words, Worst Trek Episode Ever. And that's all I've got to say about that.
Stilted language? If you don't like the tellings, maybe you need to get to the trunks, lest you be nullified. Or even upturned.
As I mentioned in my reaction to the show, he was conveniently ignoring the fact that he'd joined a terrorist group bent on driving invaders out of their homelands by force when he said that...but he remembered later.
I'm really getting a feel for how much Janeway mellowed him now. His energy level's just getting lower and lower as the show goes on.
And is it just me, or is he only too eager to follow the lead Defender guy's...lead. It's like he's a born second banana. Would have made a great talk show sidekick.
I can just see him sitting on the couch while Janeway interviews Kullah or someone.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4623301&postcount=294
In four words, Worst Trek Episode Ever. And that's all I've got to say about that.
Stilted language? If you don't like the tellings, maybe you need to get to the trunks, lest you be nullified. Or even upturned.
As I mentioned in my reaction to the show, he was conveniently ignoring the fact that he'd joined a terrorist group bent on driving invaders out of their homelands by force when he said that...but he remembered later.
I'm really getting a feel for how much Janeway mellowed him now. His energy level's just getting lower and lower as the show goes on.
And is it just me, or is he only too eager to follow the lead Defender guy's...lead. It's like he's a born second banana. Would have made a great talk show sidekick.
I can just see him sitting on the couch while Janeway interviews Kullah or someone.
