I just finished another runthrough of Season 7, finishing up with "What You Leave Behind" and I really started love Damar's character development at the end. I was rather bummed when Damar died, moreso than the last time I saw the episode. It was an honorable death, dying as a martyr to Cardassian Liberation, however I think no one was better to lead the reconstruction of Cardassia than Damar. Despite all the instances of himself and the Cardassians as aggressors, I think his acknowledgement of the Federation's assisstance and ability to work with Colonel Kira would have given Cardassia a much brighter future diplomatically. For once, Cardassian's could finally find a way to live in peace with the quadrant and could potentially become allies with the Federation or at least on solid neutral terms. Killing him kind of through out all of that out the window, as we are left with just Garak, an impopular Cardassian that believed that the Cardassians could work together with other races. I think the ending would have a little more to it, seeing Damar finally sitting accross the table with Sisko and Ross, and actually seeing him getting the chance to kill Weyoun instead of Garak. Any thoughts on this?
Was any one else upset by Damar's death?
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everyone dies sometime
That scene almost got a tear from my eye, I'll admit it. Here Damar had just found the better angels of his nature, and got killed off for his trouble. It does leave a very uncertain situation for Cardassia's future leadership--I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of Garak stepping into the void, however sympathetic Robinson wants him to be in A Stitch in Time.
At first I really did not like Damar to much espically in "Sacrifice of Angels"
when he kills Ziel. I came to appriciate him more, espically after Dukat was relived of command and Damar war promoted. The interplay between himself and Wayuon really cracked me up, espically when Damar was swilling Kanar by the bottle, and the subtle remarks he made behind their backs.
I wished that the writers had let him live to see the peace finally come to Cardassia, and I also wish that Wayuon had also live to see the Dominion finally defeted. All in all, Damar was one of my more favorite characters in DS-9...
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when he kills Ziel. I came to appriciate him more, espically after Dukat was relived of command and Damar war promoted. The interplay between himself and Wayuon really cracked me up, espically when Damar was swilling Kanar by the bottle, and the subtle remarks he made behind their backs.
I wished that the writers had let him live to see the peace finally come to Cardassia, and I also wish that Wayuon had also live to see the Dominion finally defeted. All in all, Damar was one of my more favorite characters in DS-9...
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That they took a guy who started out as a two-line sort of tertiary character and made you care about him enough to be sorry he died is an achievement. The actor wanted him to go out like that and it was effective. I do think Damar could have been an effective leader of postwar Cardassia, but I also think that for the character's past crimes, his more or less heroic death felt right too.
I liked how he wasn't able to finish his final line. It felt real.
I liked how he wasn't able to finish his final line. It felt real.
Upset? Not so much. Even though Damar was cool and he was one of the best secondary characters, I thought his death was a bit anti-climatic. Although not all deaths have to be mega-dramatic right?
He started off pretty evil and no doubt did evil things. I think it's kind of fitting that he died as pennance. Besides, as cool as he was. I think he representated old Cardassia. Like his friend that he killed for Kira and he remarked on how "his Cardassia is dead". I think Damar and even Garak are all part of that and when the new government emerges, Damar should be seen as a hero that helped give birth to it, but not allowed to participate in it. Like the Biblical story of Moses, he brought them to the Promised Land, but he would never enter it. Just my two cents...
He started off pretty evil and no doubt did evil things. I think it's kind of fitting that he died as pennance. Besides, as cool as he was. I think he representated old Cardassia. Like his friend that he killed for Kira and he remarked on how "his Cardassia is dead". I think Damar and even Garak are all part of that and when the new government emerges, Damar should be seen as a hero that helped give birth to it, but not allowed to participate in it. Like the Biblical story of Moses, he brought them to the Promised Land, but he would never enter it. Just my two cents...
I don't think Damar was evil by any stretch of the imagination. He never did anything evil throughout the series that I can recall. Damar was just a patriot that loved his state, and his state just happened to be doing the wrong things. In the end, Damar really just cared about Cardassia and his Kanar, and wasn't power hungry like Dukat. I don't really see him as the death of old Cardassia because you already started to see his affect on Cardassia since Tacking Into the Wind, where every Cardassian we saw seem to ignore the fact that Kira was around and saw the Dominion as the enemy. I thought Rusot was more the death of old Cardassia.
Isn't Alon Ghemor made leader of Cardassia in A Stitch in Time? I thought Garak was merely one of his (more influential) supporters, like he'd been Damar's.
While I think Ghemor was the titular leader of Cardassia...I have a hard time telling JUST how much pull and influence Garak has.
Well, killing Ziyal was probably the reason- no matter what he did after- he still murdered her. And for all he did for Cardassia- he still stood against Kira, even tho they were both vs the Dominion- it took a lot of unfairness on Weyoun's part to finally get him to act.
When he first appeared in Season Four I thought he'd be a one off character and didn't really bother liking him all that much. When season six came along I found him interesting, but not very essential. During 'The Final Chapter' he became one of my favorite characters on the series. Nevertheless, I couldn't see Damar in the new world they were trying to start. As was said in the final chapter the Cardassia they knew was dead, and I'm not sure if Damar would have fit in in the new Cardassia that was being developed.
I too didn't care for Damar at first. It reall wasn't untill half way through the 7th season that he grew on me. If he was killed earlier in the last season, I wouldn't have cared very much. I was however sad when he was killed in the final episode.
Damar redeemed himself.
He died in glorious battle. His name will live on forever in Cardassian history.
Monuments will be built. Statues erected. Schools named after him.
What's to be upset about?
Monuments will be built. Statues erected. Schools named after him.
What's to be upset about?
I was disappointed that Damar died, but not particularly upset though. He went out a hero, which was good in some respects, and was certainly good character development considering where he started. However if he had lived, he could have killed Weyoun, before going on to lead Cardassia into a new era.
To be honest, I have never been that upset about Damar's death - in point of fact, I like it when these characters DON'T get that last dramatic moment, that last speech, the chance to live to see the end. It's got a touch of realism to it, since here is this major character and he gets killed in the same fashion that an ordinary soldier would have. In fact, that makes it even better - despite what he became, Damar started out as an ordinary soldier and died like one.
Frankly, I think his only regret as he died was that he didn't get to kill Weyoun. (Haven't Casey Biggs and Jeffery Combs stated that they both wanted to be able to kill the other and were disappointed they didn't? I seem to recall reading that...)
Frankly, I think his only regret as he died was that he didn't get to kill Weyoun. (Haven't Casey Biggs and Jeffery Combs stated that they both wanted to be able to kill the other and were disappointed they didn't? I seem to recall reading that...)
" also wish that Wayuon had also live to see the Dominion finally defeted"
Well, if you count the DS9 novels as canon, Wayuon DID survive because Odo retrieved the implant that contained his memories and had him recloned, IIRC. I don't think they've had him comment in any regard about the defeat of the Dominion though.
Well, if you count the DS9 novels as canon, Wayuon DID survive because Odo retrieved the implant that contained his memories and had him recloned, IIRC. I don't think they've had him comment in any regard about the defeat of the Dominion though.
i hated him for killing Ziyal. there was a lot of potential for her character in my mind and having him kill her just came out of nowhere. but...i started to like him, they really played up the tragic leader angle. then his wife and son are killed, really added more layers to him. the part that always got me about his death scene was Garak and the others yelling 'FOR CARDASSIA!'
