Warp Drive in JJTrek

[Omega_Glory]

So, when the Enterprise is about to arrive in Vulcan space, they apparently cannot see into normal space from subspace. Anyone else notice this? The Enterprise couldn't scan normal space before they dropped out of warp given the surprise at seeing the wreckage and the Romulan ship in orbit....they had no clue. Does this mean warp drive has been changed to something akin to Hyperspace in Star Wars?

 

[DaveyNY]

Maybe one particular cadet on the bridge wasn't paying attention to or was distracted for a moment from his/her station just before they dropped out of Warp and didn't have time to warn everybody...

Or maybe the automatic warning sensors weren't going to be installed untill next Thursday...

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

No, they could... i just think that resolution was lower the closer they got. Try looking out of a fast driving car.
If you focus on the horizon you can see everything sharp and clear. But details will be lost because everything is so far away.
Now look at the trees and bushes closest to you. They will be very distorted and unclear until you slow down.
For me that makes sense and if anything this movie finally got it right....

 

[The Wormhole]

So Does this mean warp drive has been changed to something akin to Hyperspace in Star Wars?

Warp drive in the movie does seem to be very similar to hyperrive of Star Wars. After all, just before the Enterprise jumps to warp, the stars stretch out, and then the ship takes off, which is exactly what happens when ships jump to hyperdrive in Star Wars. Also, the ship's sublight drive seems to slow down right before jumping to warp, as is also the case just before a ship jumps to hyperdrive in SW. And finally, warp drive itself seems to be a weird tunnel the ship travels through, just like hyperdrive.

Hardly a surprise. Abrams has stated he's a Star Wars fan before a Trek fan.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

All of the warp effects were less cartoonish than we're used to seeing in Star Trek.

 

[DaveyNY]

How does making it look like a Star Wars effect make it ...less cartoonish...?

 

[WarMaster1701]

Warp was also much faster. The guy at Spacebattles calculated at least 150,000c for Warp speed

 

[The Wormhole]

All of the warp effects were less cartoonish than we're used to seeing in Star Trek.

Actually, Trek XI's warp effect is more cartoonish than other Treks. Certainly moreso than the effect that has been used from TNG to ENT (the ship jumping off, flash of light, then the simple stars streaking by the ship as it flies).

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Actually, Trek XI's warp effect is more cartoonish than other Treks. Certainly moreso than the effect that has been used from TNG to ENT (the ship jumping off, flash of light, then the simple stars streaking by the ship as it flies).

No.

Not one of those effects looks much different than cel animation. "Flash of light?" - yeah, Disney's version of "light." Very nice rays.

How does making it look like a Star Wars effect make it ...less cartoonish...?

I've paid no attention whatever to whether it looks anything like Star Wars, so that comparison is beside the point. I compare it to other Star Trek effects and simply note that, looking at the various effects side by side - the TMP effect, the various flashes-of-light/ship-stretching effects and so on used over the years - the effects used in this film to portray warp drive (both from outside the vessels and on the viewscreens during warp flight) look less cartoonish than previous Star Trek warp effects.

 

[Classic Fan]

All of the warp effects were less cartoonish than we're used to seeing in Star Trek.

Actually, Trek XI's warp effect is more cartoonish than other Treks. Certainly moreso than the effect that has been used from TNG to ENT (the ship jumping off, flash of light, then the simple stars streaking by the ship as it flies).

I agree on the fact that the vortex hyperdrive thing does look a little cartooninsh compared to the simpler star streaks.

Its cool looking though, gotta give ILM that.

But hey, the jump to warp is impressive. Its more of a warp crack to be honest. They just go bang in a flash of light, which to me seems more realistic than the stretching/boost effect of latter Treks because given the speed, you wont see it go, it just, well, goes in a crack of light.

 

[Keith1701]

Warp was also much faster. The guy at Spacebattles calculated at least 150,000c for Warp speed

I like the warp effect.......it looks cooler....

 

[backstept]

there was a shot from TNG in Ten Forward as the ship went to warp and it looked kinda like the effect used in the movie, except in the show once they broke the light barrier it went to your regular vanilla streaky stars

 

[theFirebottle]

Umm, hyperdrive in Star Wars has always looked like white points of light stretching out into lines, not remotely like the rapidly-shifting blue-purple-green streak effect used in STXI... In fact, the views out the window of stars going by in TNG, etc. always looked more like SW's hyperdrive effect than the new effect does.

Know what the hell you're talking about before you bandy about inane accusations.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

there was a shot from TNG in Ten Forward as the ship went to warp and it looked kinda like the effect used in the movie, except in the show once they broke the light barrier it went to your regular vanilla streaky stars

I vaguely remember that, yeah.

 

[Peter the Younger]

All of the warp effects were less cartoonish than we're used to seeing in Star Trek.

Actually, Trek XI's warp effect is more cartoonish than other Treks. Certainly moreso than the effect that has been used from TNG to ENT (the ship jumping off, flash of light, then the simple stars streaking by the ship as it flies).

Hardly. Not if you have read anything about how custom spacetimes might theoretically work, anyway. Warping space to such an extent that you can cross interstellar distances is going to cause massive gravitational lensing effects, a helluva lot more than some streaky rainbow stars zipping by like they're a couple hundred meters away from the ship. The ship's perception of the outside universe - and vice versa - is going to be limited at best. In fact, some descriptions of Alcubierre's warp and similar solutions indicate there isn't much difference between a warp "bubble" and a cloaking device.

The new warp effect is the closest thing we've seen to how such an FTL drive might actually look. Space surrounding the ship is a blur of scattered light, and sensory information appears to be limited to whatever subspace sensors make possible (another nice touch, subspace sensors are no longer just "really awesomely long range EM sensors," but seem distinctly limited. Not only is the effect more convincing, it makes space travel more dramatic, mysterious, and dangerous.

 

[Classic Fan]

This just brings me back to this, of all the warp speed threads over the years. Of all the warp effects ever used in TV and movies. of all the cheesy light speed effects ever used, ever. Of all the vortex effects ever created. Of all the threads i could put this into, again, its this thread...

Behold the greatness that is....




Hyper-Active.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0

 

[perigee]

Hardly. Not if you have read anything about how custom spacetimes might theoretically work, anyway. Warping space to such an extent that you can cross interstellar distances is going to cause massive gravitational lensing effects, a helluva lot more than some streaky rainbow stars zipping by like they're a couple hundred meters away from the ship. The ship's perception of the outside universe - and vice versa - is going to be limited at best. In fact, some descriptions of Alcubierre's warp and similar solutions indicate there isn't much difference between a warp "bubble" and a cloaking device.

The new warp effect is the closest thing we've seen to how such an FTL drive might actually look. Space surrounding the ship is a blur of scattered light, and sensory information appears to be limited to whatever subspace sensors make possible (another nice touch, subspace sensors are no longer just "really awesomely long range EM sensors," but seem distinctly limited. Not only is the effect more convincing, it makes space travel more dramatic, mysterious, and dangerous.

Well done - I was going to throw a bunch of mumbo-jumbo on the fire, but you said it quite elegantly.

CLASSICFAN - I think this demonstration of the effect of space/time dilation is much more fun.

 

[General Shran]

Umm, hyperdrive in Star Wars has always looked like white points of light stretching out into lines, not remotely like the rapidly-shifting blue-purple-green streak effect used in STXI... In fact, the views out the window of stars going by in TNG, etc. always looked more like SW's hyperdrive effect than the new effect does.

Know what the hell you're talking about before you bandy about inane accusations.

I think they're talking about the hyperdrive "tunnel" effect seen in A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, not the jumping-to-lightspeed effect seen many times throughout the trilogy which you're describing.

 

[I Grok Spock]

Umm, hyperdrive in Star Wars has always looked like white points of light stretching out into lines, not remotely like the rapidly-shifting blue-purple-green streak effect used in STXI... In fact, the views out the window of stars going by in TNG, etc. always looked more like SW's hyperdrive effect than the new effect does.

Know what the hell you're talking about before you bandy about inane accusations.

The reference may be to the Star Wars hyperspace tunnel effect (see below) not the "jump to lightspeed" effect. The Star Wars effect is also reminiscent of the 70s Doctor Who opening credits tunnel.

 

[General Shran]

^Thanks for the photographic back-up.