Warp Drive in JJTrek
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I think ships are going way too fast to see anything outside of their little subspace bubble. Nero and the Narada could obviously see Spock at warp though which is why they were able to jump out of warp once Spock had done so. The reason they couldn't scan the area around Vulcan was because it was being jammed - they couldn't scan what they were doing until they disabled the drills equipment.
Thanks! But is Thomas Dolby canon?
He Blinded us with Science - so he has the Treknobabble down pat. Maybe we could have him do the next film as Soren... ~LOL~
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The drill jammed the sensors too? Guess I don't remember that part. Curious that it would since it appeared to be just an energy beam akin to a normal Trek beam weapon. Regular weaponry doesn't jam sensors; makes no sense that this drill would.
Not necessarily. It has to be considered that when you're traveling several times faster than light, you shouldn't be able to really "See" anything in front of you to begin with since, relative to you, everything else in the universe is moving faster than light and the "tachyon effect" is in play. So take the "rainbow streak" effect from the Wrath of Khan and TSFS; by the time you see a starship zipping past you at warp speed, it's already been gone for quite some time, because the ship is literally outrunning its own reflection. Likewise, by the time that starship sees you, it's probably gone WAY past you, because it's outrunning YOUR reflection as well.
So the light from the destruction of the Federation Fleet didn't have enough time to reach the Enterprise before it dropped out of warp, and even at that speed it would have appeared highly distorted and unintelligible. When you use light to see, moving faster than light is the worst kind of tunnel vision.
it may not have been the drill itself but a piece of equipment on the drill
which is what was said in the movie.
and it was said several times it was jamming the sensors, the communications plus the transporters.
remember when kirk and sulu fired on the drill everything came back including the sensors.
and evidently sensors do work at warp normally since enterprise was able to track the narada and the jellyfish.
I asumed it was to do with the drill.
The Hyperspace comparisons aside, personally I liked the new Warp effect, it actually looked like space was actually 'warped' around the ships where as in previous Treks it seemed more that the ship was just moving really fast and...that said who knows what a ship warping space around it would actually look like...the shooting out of a barrel look was good though.
The Hyperspace comparisons aside, personally I liked the new Warp effect, it actually looked like space was actually 'warped' around the ships where as in previous Treks it seemed more that the ship was just moving really fast and...that said who knows what a ship warping space around it would actually look like...the shooting out of a barrel look was good though.
I still prefere the crack of the new effect.
The ships just jump, kind of like Battlestar Galactica when their ships jump to light speed. They just go in a small flash of light. And i guess thats what we would see, there one minute, not the next.
I remember seeing that now, after all these years a few memories come flooding back from when i was younger.
The ships just jump, kind of like Battlestar Galactica when their ships jump to light speed. They just go in a small flash of light. And i guess thats what we would see, there one minute, not the next.
I remember seeing that now, after all these years a few memories come flooding back from when i was younger.
Makes sense though. If we had that ammount of power at our disposal, id make damn sure i knew where i would end up.
however, the control of the drive is precise. At the desired location almost to the molecule.
Although, JJ has thrown out the rule book on warping within a solar system. Another thing i liked.
Remember that when in warp, the Enterprise is not moving faster than light in its own reference frame. It is warping spacetime and riding the 'wave' of curved space which is itself moving faster than light. This may negate some of the relativistic effects of traveling at great speeds (like every particle coming at you effectively being a cosmic ray).
I don't think its faster, they just did a lousy job at conveying any time had passed.
JJ doesn't give a flying fig about Star Trek science. He wanted Star Wars, he's even stated he prefer Star Wars.
Unfortunately (for us Trekkies) George Lucas' coronary arteries don't seem to be subjected to the same sort of fat build up as his gut and head. So JJ will just have to do "lightspeed" and a "parsec = unit of time" type nonsense in Trek instead.
Unfortunately (for us Trekkies) George Lucas' coronary arteries don't seem to be subjected to the same sort of fat build up as his gut and head. So JJ will just have to do "lightspeed" and a "parsec = unit of time" type nonsense in Trek instead.
I always liked the original Warp Jump they used in the Motion Picture (except for the rainbow symmertical flash at the end).
When the Enterprise engaged the engines it looked like it was leaving the lights on it behind. TNG version with the rubber band snap was nice but to me it seemed weird to have the front half of the ship go to warp before the rear half did.
The new warp jump looks good from the outside point of view watching the ship just BANG-GONE, but the light tunnel of warp speed does not look as good as the warp stars to me.
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When the Enterprise engaged the engines it looked like it was leaving the lights on it behind. TNG version with the rubber band snap was nice but to me it seemed weird to have the front half of the ship go to warp before the rear half did.
The new warp jump looks good from the outside point of view watching the ship just BANG-GONE, but the light tunnel of warp speed does not look as good as the warp stars to me.
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I agree that the movie almost portrayed Warp drive akin to Hyperspace in Star Wars.
All with the stars stretching and little being mentioned about monitoring activity in systems while still at Warp speed (which indicated at Wars type style to begin with).
However ... given the fact some other aspects presented themselves that limited Enterprises sensors (namely the Narada using it's drill to block comm/transporters/sensors in a very wide radius) it's excusable.
The Star Wars type stretching of stars before going to warp is I guess excusable ... albeit an annoying piece of detail.
All with the stars stretching and little being mentioned about monitoring activity in systems while still at Warp speed (which indicated at Wars type style to begin with).
However ... given the fact some other aspects presented themselves that limited Enterprises sensors (namely the Narada using it's drill to block comm/transporters/sensors in a very wide radius) it's excusable.
The Star Wars type stretching of stars before going to warp is I guess excusable ... albeit an annoying piece of detail.
Yeah, he fits in just fine with every other show-runner in Trek. Funny how that works.
Or did you think giant space amoebas, evolution accelerated to a scale of days/hours (or devolution, even), or "deuterium ore" was good science?
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