Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[galleywest]

I didn't like the finale. If there's a second season I probably won't watch it. I know I'm in the minority. I'm glad a lot of people loved it, I just...didn't. Also, I read no spoilers or news about it whatsoever as it was airing, and so was unaffected by any internet speculation or analysis. This is solely my opinion.

Series beginning: Looks like Wanda and Vision are trapped in this town against their will!
...but wait!...
Mid-series: plot twist! It's Wanda who's holding everyone hostage and has created this fictional universe!
...but wait!....
Series finale: nope, no sorry. It's Wanda who's holding everyone hostage. Oh, and here's a whole other plot we'd like to shoehorn into the last two episodes: Agatha Harkness who's very up to no good (who we really need because we have to make Wanda look like the good guy by comparison). Oh and there's another Vision out there (shhhhhh--don't tell Wanda!). Also, no consequences or apologies.

• Oh you wanted to know who Jimmy Woo was there to find in the first place? It was a Mr. Vice, a Mr. Plot D. Vice.
• Oh, you thought Evan Peters was there for some crossover something-or-other between Avengers and X-Men? Why would you think that, just because they cast the person who plays a character from the X-Men universe to play a person with basically the same powers in the Avengers universe. They could have cast literally ANYONE to play Fietro, this makes no sense other than to jerk people around.
• Monica: "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." Yeah, those jerks, they're so hung up on being held hostage via mind control and being kept from their families and being traumatized over and over by your nightmares. Geez, some people.
• Audience when Wanda is revealed to have held everyone hostage and tortured them: But she's grieving and let's have philosophical debates about how you can both see that she's wrong and that her actions are understandable.
• Audience when Hayward shoots at the fake children Wanda created (and whose existence motivate her to keep everyone in the town enslaved): OMG HOW DARE HE?!
• Wanda's inability to apologize: "But what could she possible say?" I'm seeing this reaction a lot. "Sorry, I apologize, what I did to you was horrific and inexcusable." That's what she could say. She could express remorse.
• Nearly omnipotent Marvel characters fighting in the sky? Meh.

What I would watch is a show about Jimmy, Darcy, and Monica. The best parts of the series were their interactions as they worked to solve the mystery of the hex.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Godlike beings acting like arseholes = every Greek myth.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Shield's policy on the hulk.

Let Banner wander, but keep an eye on him.

If we catch him or fight him, we will lose s city or two, so leave Banner alone.

Wanda is the new Hulk.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I watched the first 20 minutes of episode 1 and turned off. It was embarrassing old sitcom cringe, and as far out of my viewing tastes as it gets. Does it improve any?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I watched the first 20 minutes of episode 1 and turned off. It was embarrassing old sitcom cringe, and as far out of my viewing tastes as it gets. Does it improve any?

So you watched the entire first episode except the end credits basically.
Keep at it.
Next episode will introduce some elements that are already obviously out of place and by episode three you are facing major cliffhanger boosting it completely beyond the bare sitcoms concept.
Of you are not completely involved after episode 4 the rest is not for you.

 

[Orphalesion]

Emma Caulfield Ford confirms that she was hired for the specific purpose of being a red herring.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...eld-interview-dottie-who-is-sarah-proctor/amp

Not much of a red herring considering she only showed up in one episode prior to the finale and she wasn't even the focus of the episode she appeared in.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Now if they only had the balls to go R rated occasionally we might get the Netflix shows back, which for me were the best shows coming out of the superhero genre ( Daredevil and Punisher mainly). I would really like Disney to create a sublabel for the MCU for R rated adult themes like they did with the comics with the Max line and explore the darker and more violent stories. One can dream

Disney Plus now incorporates Star, which has a lot of more adult content (and which you can age limit to stop kids watching), so I guess it could be done. But given how they seem to want viewers to see how the whole MCU ties in together, I’m not sure that the will to do it is there.

 

[ITDUDE]

I watched the first 20 minutes of episode 1 and turned off. It was embarrassing old sitcom cringe, and as far out of my viewing tastes as it gets. Does it improve any?

Much better than Discovery. A shade worse than Picard.

 

[Tuskin38]

Covid did change things

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/w...up-about-how-the-pandemic-changed-the-finale/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

This part in particular stands out:

"It also seems that the engineer’s tease was 100% intended, but was getting worried when people suddenly expected Reed Richard to show up. A lot was left on the cutting room floor, so it may have originally had a bigger pay-off. They also confess that a lot of CGI edits were a bit awkward, as pointed out by Smith, as they had to finalize those post-lockdown. Monica was even originally going to have a bigger role in the finale, such as her, the kids, Ralph, and Darcy trying to steal the Darkhold from the basement. There we would find out that the bunny Scratchy was a demon. It was all filmed but they couldn’t finish the VFX for it."​

As disappointing as it sounds to miss out on that sequence, I actually think the finale is better served without it because that allows for a tighter storyline directly on Wanda. After all, the main thesis of this series had always been about Wanda's grief and trauma and the series was at its best with that focus.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Godlike beings acting like arseholes = every Greek myth.

Shield's policy on the hulk.

Let Banner wander, but keep an eye on him.

If we catch him or fight him, we will lose s city or two, so leave Banner alone.

Wanda is the new Hulk.

[Hulk] Puny god. [/Hulk]

 

[UssGlenn]

Oh, you thought Evan Peters was there for some crossover something-or-other between Avengers and X-Men? Why would you think that, just because they cast the person who plays a character from the X-Men universe to play a person with basically the same powers in the Avengers universe. They could have cast literally ANYONE to play Fietro, this makes no sense other than to jerk people around.

Evan Peters was the only person on the planet who could play Fake Pietro and put the audience in the same headspace as Wanda. This is Quicksilver but at the same time he isn't, something is odd. It just turned out to be much less weird than the opening of the multiverse.

I really hope they put out a special edition final episode, especially considering how the unused footage appears to address so many of the complaints.

 

[Anwar]

Zod was a Genocidal Maniac and not interested in chatting. He made it very clear he would kill every single Human Being on the planet unless he was stopped and was seconds from making that family into a toastie.

Yeah, but what we're saying is that if Zod had been written as less revenge driven then the climax of MoS could have subverted expectations by having Superman and Zod peacefully negotiate the Kryptonians withdrawing from Earth to go somewhere else.

It would be a proper culmination of Clark's character in that movie. He starts off unsure and uneasy, but uses his powers to help regardless. He becomes open as Superman, and this draws in enemies.

How does he resolve it? He tries force, it doesn't work. So he tries intelligent negotiation and hope. And that's what ends things.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I think it would be a hoot if down the road it turned out that Evan Peters really was Pietro from the X-universe, and Agatha had mind wiped him into thinking his name was Lance Bohner. (Yeah, yeah I know, but I think his name should have been Lance, or maybe Serge.)

 

[wayoung]

I think it would be a hoot if down the road it turned out that Evan Peters really was Pietro from the X-universe, and Agatha had mind wiped him into thinking his name was Lance Bohner. (Yeah, yeah I know, but I think his name should have been Lance, or maybe Serge.)

I didn't sign an NDA so I can say this. I worked at a hospital 15 years ago and a huge celebrity musician used Richard Boner as a pseudonym when he came in for swollen testicles.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Dick boner's testicles?

That's a little on the nose.

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[David cgc]

I think it would be a hoot if down the road it turned out that Evan Peters really was Pietro from the X-universe, and Agatha had mind wiped him into thinking his name was Lance Bohner. (Yeah, yeah I know, but I think his name should have been Lance, or maybe Serge.)

It's absolutely possible. Maybe even likely. I mean, this very miniseries retconned that Wanda always had magic powers, and it wasn't (just) exposure to an Infinity Stone. As the overall context of the MCU changes, they've shown they have no problem applying those expanded notions of what's possible to existing characters and situations.

 

[StCoop]

It was kinda clear from that last episode that Covid had had an effect on the series; but it was interesting to learn how much. Certainly explains how the originally stated six hour length ended up being considerably shorter.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]