Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[The Nth Doctor]

The one in the theater.

The shapeshifter is a Skrull who is friends with Nick Fury and Carol Danvers as seen in Captain Marvel. The general consensus is she's referring to Nick as the mutual friend.

Wait, was there a second one I didn't wait long enough for?

There's always a scene at the very end of the credits. In this case, it showed Wanda holed up in a cabin in some distant mountain range where her astral projection reads through the Darkhold. It ends with her hearing Billy and Tommy crying out to her, much to her surprise.

 

[FPAlpha]

Can the Marvel megafans explain the post-credits scene for us casuals?

The first one was about Monica Rambeau and a member of an alien species called Skrulls. They were key players in the Ms. Marvel movie, initially thought to be villains but turned out to be good guys. This continued in the end credits scene of Spiderman: Far from Home when Nick Fury appeared, who seemed to be working with the Skrulls so this end credits scene suggests Monica will be taken up there to the Skrulls and Nick Fury, most likely to appear in the second Ms. Marvel movie.

The second end credits scene deals with Wanda, who has secluded herself in a remote cabin and split herself into 2 forms - her normal body and her astral body ( Strange did the same in his movie when his actual body slept but his astral form continued to read books and learn about magic). Wanda in astral form is reading the Darkholm, a magical book made from Dark Matter in the Hell dimension containing dark magical knowledge ( it rarely worked out well for anybody reading and learning from it).
We see astral Wanda in full Scarlet Witch getup reading the book and learning when suddenly she hears the voices of her "lost" sons crying for help - this could be a connection to the comic book version background of how her sons actually came to be, i.e. when she created her sons in the comics ( she can't have children with Vision through conventional means of course) part of their soul or energy came from a demon called Mephisto ( Marvel's version of the Devil to a degree), who later took his energy back and wiped the sons from existence and also made Wanda forget she ever had them. The comics continue this of course and the sons reappeared but with Wandavision it may set up a similar storyline, maybe even with Mephisto.


Related to this i wonder how Wandavision and other Disney+ shows will affect the movies - it is hard for casual movie audiences to follow the extremely connected movies and i understand confusion if they missed some but introducing a new variable via TV shows could be difficult.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm familiar with the Darkholm from Agents of SHIELD but there's no telling whether it works remotely the same way considering it's implicitly decanonized.

 

[Noname Given]

Can the Marvel megafans explain the post-credits scene for us casuals?

The first scene is simply a Skrull informing Monica/Photon that Nick Fury would like to speak to her. (Nick fury was shown relaxing on a Skull spaceship at the end of the last MCU Spider-Man film.)

The second end credits scene showed Wanda relaxing in a cabin far away from society, while she was using her astral form (see the first Doctor Strange MCU film), while altering the speed at which time passes, to study the Darkhold Tome.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Can the Marvel megafans explain the post-credits scene for us casuals?

You just have to hit the 10 second fast forward until they show up. It only takes less than a minute. The trick is knowing they are there in the first place. Mind, I have no idea why they put 10+ minutes of credits for a show that averaged maybe 15 minutes per episode.

 

[Maurice]

You just have to hit the 10 second fast forward until they show up. It only takes less than a minute. The trick is knowing they are there in the first place. Mind, I have no idea why they put 10+ minutes of credits for a show that averaged maybe 15 minutes per episode.

It's because credits have become preposterous, with the people who wipe up the snot of the "production babies" getting credited.

 

[JD]

The first one was about Monica Rambeau and a member of an alien species called Skrulls. They were key players in the Ms. Marvel movie, initially thought to be villains but turned out to be good guys. This continued in the end credits scene of Spiderman: Far from Home when Nick Fury appeared, who seemed to be working with the Skrulls so this end credits scene suggests Monica will be taken up there to the Skrulls and Nick Fury, most likely to appear in the second Ms. Marvel movie.

It was the Captain Marvel movie, not Ms. Marvel, which is going to be another streaming series later this year. It's an easy mistake to make though, Carole Danvers, who is the current Capt. Marvel, spent the first several decades of her existence known as Ms. Marvel, before she became Capt. Marvel, and the introduced the current Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan.

 

[The Wormhole]

Something occurred to me. Since Fake Pietro turned out to really be Ralph Bohner, an actual resident of Westview, why didn't the SWORD people run the facial recognition software on him like they did everyone else?

I know the real world reason was to create suspense and make us think he could be the character from the X-Men movies, but is there an in-universe explanation?

 

[Sketcher]

I had expected him to be the beekeeper converted. That seems to be a dangling thread on what happened to him, also who Woo's person in the witness protection plan was.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I had expected him to be the beekeeper converted. That seems to be a dangling thread on what happened to him, also who Woo's person in the witness protection plan was.

Sometimes a bee keeper is just a bee keeper.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Easy answer: Ralph was the witness Jimmy Woo was trying to find when we first see him, Jimmy recognized him first thing, and made sure the scan wasn't done on him. As for the beekeeper... who knows. Either we'll learn his fate eventually in a deleted scene, or Wanda's got one more crime to answer for that she's not even aware of - accidentally deleting him from existence and memory.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Easy answer: Ralph was the witness Jimmy Woo was trying to find when we first see him, Jimmy recognized him first thing, and made sure the scan wasn't done on him. As for the beekeeper... who knows. Either we'll learn his fate eventually in a deleted scene, or Wanda's got one more crime to answer for that she's not even aware of - accidentally deleting him from existence and memory.

I assumed he went back to being a SWORD agent.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the beekeeper was just a random SWORD agent who went back to doing guard duty or whatever it is the extra's are doing when the regulars are doing their thing.

Jason

 

[Reverend]

I just assumed she rewound him back into the sewer and just froze him and/or put him to sleep there like she did with all the kids.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Sometimes a bee keeper is just a bee keeper.

Not true in this case.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not true in this case.

The beekeeper/SWORD agent was just that, yes?

 

[Tim Thomason]

The beekeeper/SWORD agent was just that, yes?

He wasn't just a beekeeper was my joke, yes. You got it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He wasn't just a beekeeper was my joke, yes. You got it.

Depend on what side the hex, don't it?

 

[SolarisOne]

Why not?

The change in appearance doesn't matter. Bruce Banner, James Rhodes and Fandral all look different than when we first saw them too. The thing is magic, after all. Agents of Shield Season 4 isn't even the last time we saw the thing. It showed up in Runaways season 3 as well.

Not the change in appearance, the mechanics. The fact that there were already things visible inside this Darkhold when it was opened. The contents only become visible after a person opens it in AoS, explicitly because the book adjusts itself to the person reading it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not the change in appearance, the mechanics. The fact that there were already things visible inside this Darkhold when it was opened. The contents only become visible after a person opens in AoS, explicitly because the book adjusts itself to the person reading it.

Explains why it looked like a comic book when I opened it.