Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

[Noname Given]

Even though it wasn't what I was expecting, the final episode was well done and satisfying.

White Vision with his memories restored by the part of the Mind Stone that was still a part a Wanda nice. I'm sure he'll reappear and it'll be interesting to see the Wanda characters reaction to the change as 'her' Vision didn't mention what he'd done.

As for Agatha - I think Wanda pretty much MADE her the character she played while faking Wanda out; and when the rest of the Hex dispelled - Agatha's mind wipe/re-write did not. (IE - set up for a return when someone manages to fix her mind - either Agatha herself in some way or someone else who wants to use her against the Scarlet Witch.

I was surprised Wanda let everything go (including her kids) - the ending scenes were well done there.

Sad that Darcy didn't have a bigger part in the final few episodes.

'Modern' Scarlett Witch look - YEOZA! (Very nice in the way it still maintains nice elements from the original Lee/Kirby one.)

So Nick Fury wants to talk with Monica/Photon...set up for Captain Marvel 2 film sub-plot?

Finally the last post credits scene: WTF?! Wanda is altering reality on a small scale while studying the Darkhold?? -- MADNESS! (Multiverse mixed in later I guess )

Gotta admit - Given that they have shown that Dr. Strange keeps a close watch on mystical incursions and mystical events in the MCU realm, I really hope they do give an explanation as to what he was doing/facing that ley this whole situation play out without him even having a look.

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So that shot when the family all snap to action poses and the camera tracks in at a low angle...intentionally an Incredibles homage or what?

Um..the Incredibles stole it from the Fantastic Four first.

 

[StCoop]

So having given it some time to process my feelings, I have to say my big problem with the episode and ultimately the series is that Wanda hasn't changed. She walks, sorry flies, away from Westview having taken no real responsibility for her torture of thousands and while she's no longer perverting the laws of nature to bring back her husband, she's now doing it for her kids instead.

Still, cool costume and one in the eye for Joss Whedon who dismissively told Olson that she'd never get to wear it.

 

[Kor]

I thought that last episode wrapped things up nicely. I would say I can't wait for the blu-ray set, except that Disney doesn't seem to be doing those for new shows any more!

Kor

 

[thribs]

What exactly did the Sword director guy do wrong? Yet Wanda got away scot free?

And why in the world did it end with such a meaningless conversation between Wanda and Monica of all people? Totally ruined a beautiful, sad ending.

Amazing series but this was a very disappointing finale.

 

[Seven of Five]

That was a great end to a great series.

Wanda saying goodbye to Vision was heartbreaking. Is White Vision still on the loose though, with restored memories?

Glad the kids are still around for the future, and I look forward to Multi-Verse of Madness to resolve how they are rescued.

 

[Jayson1]

I felt the ending was good and had some even great moments but I kind of feel like it was kind of a letdown as well. The best stuff was the Vision vs Vision stuff and Monica facing the people and what she did to them Plus her goodbye to Vision. Plus her fight we Agatha.

Every other character in the show though felt pointless to even have them in it. Also Monica I got to say doesn't wow me as a character. I think people went in thinking she would be a new start for the MCU when in reality the new star turned out to be Agatha and that is who I think people are most excited to see again in other stuff.

Evan Peters was also kind of wasted. Same with Darcy who I might be wrong was only in one scene in the final episode and that is the crash scene. I will say though it still ended better than lots of MCU third acts to the movies. Sometimes they get so bogged down in action and more action your eyes start to glaze over it. You had some heart in this which was nice.


Jason

 

[dupersuper]

Honestly, I think it's a little premature to say one way or the other. The smile could just be about getting to go back into space, or because the "old friend" isn't Carol or Nick, but Talos's daughter.

Wouldn't Talos' daughter be more Monicas friend than her mothers?

Because she took over Ralph Bohner's house,

At least we know who Ralph is...

A rabbit with an appetite for insects? Not likely. But that's - now - going to be a story for another time.

About a witches familiar abandoned by their witch...

The best stuff was the Vision vs Vision stuff and Monica facing the people and what she did to them Plus her goodbye to Vision. Plus her fight with Agatha.

Jason

I'm guessing you meant Wanda?

 

[Richard Baker]

Someone suggested that the (second credit clip) mellow tea sipping Wanda was a projection to distract any people trying to observe her while she did some serious magical work inside.

I know some feel she was and still is a monster for what she did to that town. To me she was a broken woman when she first entered SWORD HQ and just lost control when she stood inside that hollow shell of her lost future. As a powered being when she lost control she used every resource available, regardless of consequence, just like a person who is drowning flails about, even harming those who are trying to save them. Things perpetuated on autopilot after that, that was one of things which impressed Agatha. When she brought the Hex down the first time she tried to get the townspeople out to safety. At the end when the Hex came down for the last time she was still broken, only now her grief was compounded not only by losing Vision yet again, but her whole family and this loss was by her choice. She could have lived that family life she craved, but now Wanda knew it's cost and decided to leave instead.

 

[UssGlenn]

As for Agatha - I think Wanda pretty much MADE her the character she played while faking Wanda out; and when the rest of the Hex dispelled - Agatha's mind wipe/re-write did not. (IE - set up for a return when someone manages to fix her mind - either Agatha herself in some way or someone else who wants to use her against the Scarlet Witch.

Didn't they say only the witch that made the spell can undo it? So only Wanda can fix her.

What exactly did the Sword director guy do wrong?

While the FBI can probably get him on all sorts of rules and proceedure violations, He also clearly tried to murder Monica in cold blood at the end (he could argue the kids weren't real).

 

[Jayson1]

Wouldn't Talos' daughter be more Monicas friend than her mothers?



At least we know who Ralph is...



About a witches familiar abandoned by their witch...



I'm guessing you meant Wanda?

Yep. Brain fart mistake on my part . Jason

 

[Xerxes82]

And why in the world did it end with such a meaningless conversation between Wanda and Monica of all people? Totally ruined a beautiful, sad ending.

Amazing series but this was a very disappointing finale.

Wow. I didn't find the conversation between Monica and Wanda meaningless at all. Monica, who has also just lost someone she loves, acknowledges that if she had Wanda's powers, she would have wanted to bring her mom back as well. Which I think is a fairly natural expression, honestly. And then also recognizes that Wanda has paid a personal cost to bring the Hex to it's conclusion. Because let's not kid ourselves, Wanda did a bad thing, but she did it inadvertently. And when she finally realized what she was doing, truly realized, she dismantled the Hex and gave up her husband and kids. Would you have paid that price? Would most people be willing to pay that price? Or would you cling defiantly to what was yours and to hell with anybody else's pain?

This ending resonated with me. Maybe partly because of things I'm going through in my life right now, but mostly because it was just really well done. Wanda isn't blameless, we shouldn't excuse her actions in Westview or hand wave them away. But we can understand them. And the resolution shows us that, under it all, Wanda is a true hero who has just made an unfortunate and tragic mistake rather than a villain.

Honestly, the simplest comparison is to the Hulk. In Westview, Wanda Hulked out. She was overcome by emotions she couldn't control and her powers took over. She hurt people. Then she came to her senses and the hurting stopped. Where do we place the blame? Is it black and white? What are the nuances that we should look at? Grief does strange and terrible things to ordinary people, what does it do to virtual gods?

 

[Maurice]

If she herself thought this was merely illusory, and that real people were not being affected, then maybe I'd buy that she wasn't acting as a villain. If she actually understood in any form that she was altering the lives of these people then she's an outright monster, and grief is no excuse.

 

[wayoung]

Westview may have started unconsciously but she was reversing time and mind controlling people purposely in the 2nd episode, if not the very first. There were multiple episodes after Vision confronted her about it.

You can't hide responsibility for crimes behind trauma and grief.

It may make you a sympathetic villain, but you're still a villain.

It isn't an excuse and it isn't a defence. Not morally or legally.

Why is Wanda's trauma more important than that of her victims?

"Oh no I had something bad happen to me and then I acted out and caused more, possibly irreparable, harm to 4,000 people but it's all ok because I was sad at the time but now I'm processing my grief in a healthy way and was rewarded with even more power"

Assault isn't forgiven & ignored because the person committing the assault was in a bad place emotionally when it happened.

 

[Kelthaz]

I know some feel she was and still is a monster for what she did to that town. To me she was a broken woman when she first entered SWORD HQ and just lost control when she stood inside that hollow shell of her lost future.

The thing is you could describe most villains like that -- The Tragic Villain is a pretty common trope after all -- but Wanda gets treated as the victim while the jerkass military guy trying to save thousands of people from a torture worse than death is the bad guy. It was rather uncomfortable to watch. Sure, he was a jerk, but I was on his side the whole time and he was completely in the right to shoot a missile at Wanda.

 

[theenglish]

It's interesting that you saw the Skrull invitation being for her to reunite with Carol. I thought it was a invitation to reunite with Nick Fury, who I assume is still up in space.

Jason

Yes, it was a reference to Fury and follow up to the Far From Home credits scene. But in fairness to you, I think it was meant for us to think about Carol for a second.

I am guessing that this is a set up for Secret Invasion.

 

[Xerxes82]

while the jerkass military guy trying to save thousands of people from a torture worse than death is the bad guy. It was rather uncomfortable to watch.

That's not what Hayward was doing. Hayward was abusing an already bad situation in an attempt to activate his killer robot. Hayward didn't care one bit about Westview, or the people in it.

The only people in this whole mess who actually tried to do the right thing all the way through were Monica, Jimmy and Darcy.

 

[theenglish]

Overall, I liked the show a lot. The first two episodes were pretty rancid, and it should have dropped the sitcom stuff earlier, but when it was good it was very good, and I definitely care more about Wanda and Vision now then I did before.

I'm glad you chose to stick with it and keep an open mind.

 

[Kelthaz]

That's not what Hayward was doing. Hayward was abusing an already bad situation in an attempt to activate his killer robot. Hayward didn't care one bit about Westview, or the people in it.

Hey, I said he was a jerkass. Hayward wanted to activate his killer robot and he didn't care about the people of Westview, but his actions were still on the side of good even if his motives were not. Taking out Wanda was the right thing to do given the circumstances.

The only people in this whole mess who actually tried to do the right thing all the way through were Monica, Jimmy and Darcy.

And Vision.

 

[tomalak301]

Finale was pretty good, but I was kinda hoping Monica and Darcy would have more to do. They were barely in this, and Darcy had only a line I think. I think my favorite part of the episode was the two visions in the library, and I was actually expecting White Vision to visit Wanda at the end. I did like the effect of the program collapsing in on itself, and the scene with the kids was pretty emotional.

It was a good 9 week series. even though the first two episodes could have been a single hour long episode.

 

[Maurice]

I found my interest level directly in inverse proportion to the amount of MCU service being done. Next to none of what happened outside Westview mattered one iota to the ultimate resolution except for explaining where white reVision came from. Except for that, the whole story could have been told from inside the hex. But they were too busy setting up future MCU stuff to actually color inside the lines they had drawn. The narrative would have been more compelling if it played within that boundary.