Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

[TREK_GOD_1]

Karl actually feels replaceable now that Rick has a baby to watch over and to provide one bit of hope if he ever did loose Karl.

Jason

Carl would be the better "hope" candidate, as he's the only minor (aside from Enid) to have lived in the pre-ZA and current ZA world as a small child, which makes his journey to reclaim any sense of that which was stolen from him (the pre-ZA world) the more compelling story.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The Walking Dead--
"The King, The Widow, and Rick"

Based on the reactions from each member, the note scene continues the schism started with Rick and Daryl last week. This will make the handling of Negan pretty interesting.

Jesus' "worth fighting for" has been explored time and again--by Glenn and Michonne (on the road to and at Alexandria), by Hershel during the initial conflict with the Governor, and so on. At this point, Jesus has not faced that kind of life or death decision-making, so he can get a pass here, but Maggie letting them in...and locking Gregory up? I guess we can see how this will fall apart.

Michonne and Rosita taking off? Okay, the series needs to stop making so many of their characters so damn stupid, even with the rocket launcher payoff. That was as impulsive & idiotic a plan as Daryl, Glenn, Rosita and Michonne hunting for Dwight in season 6, and we know how that turned out. Why would they--just two people--explore that building with zero support?

Meanwhile, Tara and Daryl are still gripped by revenge, and in Tara's case, there's just no development to support her alleged hurt over Denise (no matter how much the showrunners try to push that) that this revenge mindset does not sell at all, and is hell bent on going on a suicide mission, much like Aaron and Enid. Anyone sense major housecleaning coming?

Carl and Siddiq really could have avoided the walker group. Still, the "show the parents the way" is more teasing of Carl and Rick eventually butting heads in a more significant way.

Carol and Henry (Benjamin's brother).......I do hope this relationship does not go the way of all of the other children in her life.

In the opening, I believe Jadis (of all people) was wearing nothing except an apron? Just no. That's not the kind of horror the series needs.

...and in his infinite wisdom, Rick tries to force a deal with her, only to end up her prisoner.

 

[Trekker4747]

in the opening, I believe Jadis (of all people) was wearing nothing except an apron? Just no. That's not the kind of horror the series needs.

Jadis is dirtied and roughed up a bit (she does, after all, live in an apocalypse) but the woman who plays her, Polyanna MacIntosh, is a gorgeous woman. So, yeah, I'll take nude Jadis "lying with me."

I thought this was a good episode with some interesting developments, interested in the new character and liked seeing the return of "The Three Questions." Though Carl going along with him to put down walkers not currently a threat was sort of dumb considering they should only put the walkers down when they're an actual problem otherwise they're just taking risks and, as seen here, taking on the walkers drew in a small herd.

I've no idea what's going through Rosita and Michonne's heads.

Daryl has a lot on his mind to be pissed about, understandably, but he's going off a deep-end here. And, yeah, Tara's switch from the snarky girl with all of the jokes to being this intense person ready to kill is strange. I get she loved Denise but this reaction seems pretty drastic.

Good on Maggie for putting the Savior prisoners in their little make-shift outdoor jail and when she said "it's for people I can't trust" or something to that effect I knew Gregory was in trouble and going to find himself in there. Really, she should have killed the one Savior guy who's been a DB every time we've seen just to make an example of him. Misbehave or try anything and that's what's going to happen. Otherwise, we'll let you live.... and feed you rutabagas.

Great, another kid hitching his star to Carol's wagon. This will end well.

Awesome as it was, I don't think that Savior was far enough away from Rosita for the grenade on the RPG to arm, he would've been hit by the projectile and, sure, he wouldn't be happy and likely even dead but the grenade wouldn't have gone off. And I was thinking when they went outside and saw the truck driving off, "Gee, be great to have an RPG right now, wouldn't it?!"

When Daryl T-Boned the truck with the speakers on it with a garbage truck I was thinking it was The Scavengers and Rick had somehow managed to get them back on board. (And now we see what his goal was with taking the Polaroids.)

It will be interesting to see what develops with The Scavengers and how deep the schisms grow between the groups and friendships as we cracks are forming already.

It took me a moment to remember who the baby was Maggie was holding. It was too young to be Judith (what is she, like 16 now? ) but we've not seen Maggie even show pregnancy yet so it didn't make sense that it was hers. Then I remembered the baby they recovered from the Savior Outpost that Aaron took to The Hilltop.

Be interesting to see where this goes.

Oh, and, shut-up Carl.

 

[jbny67]

I have a feeling Carl was bitten in that fight with the walkers.

Side note - They announced on Talking Dead that Morgan is moving over to Fear The Walking Dead.

Both characters might not make it to Season 9.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Just how big of a dumbass is Rick? It would've been funny if they left him with art supplies in there.

I'm confused by the Savior's sanctuary, is it just the walkers keeping them in? Is there anyone else watching it?

 

[jbny67]

They have snipers waiting in case the Saviors try to get out and make a run for it.

I don't see an upside to Rick going to the Garbage Pail Kids at this point.

 

[Trekker4747]

"Garbage Pail Kids"

Yeah, the walkers are keeping people trapped in the Sanctuary, which is now without power and short on food so a revolt could be brewing in there, and snipers are keeping the place pinned down. I kind of wonder how successful the radio-stack would've been at luring away that entire, huge, herd.

I doubt Carl was bitten during the bit with the walkers, to me Carl is almost another "untouchable" character who'll be around for a long time and when he goes it won't be due to a walker. Morgan I agree he won't survive the season, he's on a self-destructive streak now and that's only going to end in disaster.

I haven't watched Talking Dead yet but Morgan is the cross-over character? Interesting. So, contextually, I take it that Morgan goes over to FTWD? I wonder how that's going to work considering how far apart the two series take place in all four dimensions.

Yeah, Rick's a bit foolish for going back to The Scavengers considering what happened but, maybe, he felt he truly could persuade them. Saying, "I've got three communities rallied behind me and this is what we're doing to The Saviors. So either you join with us or you can join them and be next."

It's hard to know what Jadis is thinking on why she's so set against Rick and The Alliance unless The Saviors are offering something very good or she's just going to play the middle to get what her and her group needs no matter who they have to play.

I do want to know more about these people, particularly the weird way they talk. It's only been a three years or so, not enough time for language to corrode that much. It's my thought they speak that way out of efficiency and just not wanting to talk too much since stealth is paramount in this world. But you'd think on occasion they'd talk normally.

 

[Q2UnME]

^ I think the situation with Morgan will be more to do with where was he for 2+ years, like during the time on the Farm or the Prison? That will solve the apparent time differential between the two shows. As for how he departs TWD? Simply walks away because he cannot be around people anymore. No need to kill him, just have him head out on this own again...

Q2

 

[Jayson1]

"Garbage Pail Kids"

Yeah, the walkers are keeping people trapped in the Sanctuary, which is now without power and short on food so a revolt could be brewing in there, and snipers are keeping the place pinned down. I kind of wonder how successful the radio-stack would've been at luring away that entire, huge, herd.

I doubt Carl was bitten during the bit with the walkers, to me Carl is almost another "untouchable" character who'll be around for a long time and when he goes it won't be due to a walker. Morgan I agree he won't survive the season, he's on a self-destructive streak now and that's only going to end in disaster.

I haven't watched Talking Dead yet but Morgan is the cross-over character? Interesting. So, contextually, I take it that Morgan goes over to FTWD? I wonder how that's going to work considering how far apart the two series take place in all four dimensions.

I wonder if the movie the time period up and have "Fear" be set in the same time period as current "Walking Dead." What woud be interesting also is if they do the Old Man Rick stuff hinted at in the flashback that show they could also be bumped up as well so in theory both shows would still not be happening at the same time.

Jason

 

[galad2003]

The comic is about a dad raising his son in a post Apocalyptic world - Carl isn't dying unless the TV show decides to drastically steer away from the comic and so far that hasn't happened. Carl has the most plot armor of anyone in the show because of that. (well except for maybe Daryl - kill him off and watch all the middle aged women stop watching in droves).

Anyway, this season is pretty boring. Maybe I am just getting tired of the concept but I find myself paying less and less attention. Last week I didn't even watch figuring I would catch the rerun this Sunday.

The war is just so stupid. They should have finished Negan off in episode 1. Cut off the head and the rest will crumble. We already saw how the others were infighting and too paralyzed to make a decision and the workers were about to revolt. A sniper shot to the head would end this whole war. If there are snipers around the Savior compound why did they not take Neegan out when he made a run from the trailer?

 

[137th Gebirg]

A) There were too many walkers moving around for Negan to be effectively identified
B) He was intentionally keeping Gabriel with him to serve as a human shield in case the snipers did notice and paint him
C) The snipers were asleep and didn't post shifts - they're not professionals and had likely been there without much rest for some time.

I know this isn't a real-world scenario, but real-world events could very easily be used to rationalize why something happens the way it does (or not).

Although I agree with the main premise - the second Negan stuck his head out, the fresh snipers should have popped him. THEN and only then would Rick deliver his bloviated monologue to the survivors - surrender or the same will happen to the rest of you in 10 seconds. One, two, TEN - BOOM!

 

[Beagleman]

The Garbage Pail Kids where the only interesting thing that happened on this show in three years (that wasn't a CGI tiger), so I'm glad they are back. The Carl scenes were kinda nice... Kill everyone else!

 

[E-DUB]

Neegan's last words to Rick will be: "I guess you're Neegan now."

 

[Trekker4747]

I think the situation with Morgan will be more to do with where was he for 2+ years, like during the time on the Farm or the Prison? That will solve the apparent time differential between the two shows. As for how he departs TWD? Simply walks away because he cannot be around people anymore. No need to kill him, just have him head out on this own again...

The time between when Rick leaves Morgan's house to when we see Morgan after the incident at Terminus is at the very, extreme, giving a LOT of benefit two years. Judith is our barometer for how much time has passed, her apparent age plus nine or ten months is how long of a span the show has covered. The apocalypse itself is probably a month to, again, at the extreme two months older than that. (Depending in how long we want to allow that Rick could survive in a coma without any medical attention, medicine, food or water. Which even one month, let alone two, is giving a lot of wiggle room.)

But, in there, Rick re-encounters Morgan not far from where he first met him 9-10 months after he left his old house, the time it took for Lori to get pregnant, gestate, deliver, and for Judith to grow a little, so this means it's probably inside of a year between leaving Morgan in the old town to when they re-meet an Alexandria, where Morgan was following them.

This is a LOT of movement for Morgan to make given the situation they're all in and whether or not we want to allow Morgan to use a vehicle (and even then he'd have to be able to collect fuel for it.) To get from Georgia, to somewhere in So. Cal/Mexico (or wherever FTWD is now) then back to the Georgia/Eastern coast area to follow The Group along their path to Alexandria (including seeing the note at the church and finding the map to Alexandria) inside of a year is a lot to happen. And gets even tougher when we put in Morgan's encoutner with Eastman which is what brought Morgan back from his insanity after losing Dwayne and he had to "clear."

I just don't see how it could have happened and will be interested to see how it is done short of FTWD taking a 2-3 year time-jump until inline with TWD and for Morgan to travel to Alexandria to wherever FTWD would be taking place.

For me it's a lot and complicated and it only gets more so when you consider how little time has passed across the 8 seasons of the show (given Judith's age it's barely, if just approaching, 3 years.) Now maybe we are set for a time-jump. A time-jump that'll propel TWD several years into the future to bring Carl's age closer to where it "should be" and for us to get the older Judith we saw in the dream/flash-forward sequences in the first episode of the season. but also propel FTWD a couple years into the future to some time after the period TWD just left to allow for Morgan to get over there, for enough time to have passed and for both shows to remain in different time periods.

 

[Ethros]

Good god that was exciting edge of your seat stuff. My eyes were glued to the screen. I'm so glad they've stopped doing that "nothing big happens until the mid-season/season finale" thing anymore.

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[137th Gebirg]

The Garbage Pail Kids where the only interesting thing that happened on this show in three years (that wasn't a CGI tiger), so I'm glad they are back. The Carl scenes were kinda nice... Kill everyone else!

It won't be long before they confirm that nobody, in fact, knows where Rick is at the moment. Funny how Jadis nonchalantly called his bluff.

 

[auntiehill]

That was an incredibly bone-headed move on Rick's part. "Hi, Heapsters! Remember how you tried to kill me? I'm here to ask for your help---again-- and this time, I'll kill you if you don't. Oh, and by the way, I'm here ALL ALONE."

Gosh, what could possibly go wrong there?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Am I the only one who caught the foreshadowing of the Zombie Shiva? When the leader of the Garbage Pail Kids is building her skeletal tiger statue we hear a roar (which we are supposed to believe is Rick coming into the junkyard), but I swear, for just one or two frames, we see a tiger. My eyes rolled so hard they about exploded out the top of my head. And to those who think I'm imagining shit, watch the scene again. Guaranteed that Gimple and co. thought they'd do their own version of GoT's

Spoiler: Spoilers

undead dragon

is to do their own version, an undead tiger.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Huh...I noticed all those things you mentioned but didn't see the potential connections until you mentioned it.

That would be kind of inconsistent from what's come before, though, since the virus doesn't ever seem to have carried over into non-human hosts, such as all the myriads of deer, cows, pigs and horses we've seen get attacked and never reanimate. I suppose they could always change the rules for Shiva but, yes, that would be a bit contrived and in violation of their own canon.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Remember, they also made it a point to scroll down and show us the barrels of industrial waste in the water where Shiva was getting devoured. Plus, it's a sad state of affairs when more emotion is stirred up from the death of a CGI tiger than a main character, so it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility they'll try cashing in on the Shiva love and pull at our heartstrings by Shiva becoming the first onscreen undead animal.