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Wait: how DID the Equinox get that far?

Wow I recently rewatched this episode (within a week) and had all these exact questions! Distance traveled and the timetable is so confusing and distracting in these episodes, because they give exact numbers to associate with ranges and they all contradict each other. I think we should have all been ready for none of it making sense since no character at any time asks how long the equinox has been in the Delta Quadrant. Seems like one of the first things I'd ask!
 
So in the novelisation, they encounter the Ankari early in the Delta Quadrant - meaning they must be able to freely roam and communicate over a 30,000 LY range?
I'm just flicking through the book but it is told out of chronological order. I really can't tell.

Found an interesting quote by Gilmore:
"Rudy kept trying to communicate with them and kept failing. We would’ve happily traded for their natural dead, like an organ donation. We didn’t want to kill. But they wouldn’t talk, or just plain couldn’t." - I never thought of that solution. That'd've helped.

"Then on Christmas Day three years ago, we got caught in a nova wash. We were completely stuck, trapped. We struggled for days to get out. Do you understand?"

Wow I recently rewatched this episode (within a week) and had all these exact questions!
What I always wondered, why didn't Equinox get to investigate/blow up the Caretaker's array?
 
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Wow I recently rewatched this episode (within a week) and had all these exact questions! Distance traveled and the timetable is so confusing and distracting in these episodes, because they give exact numbers to associate with ranges and they all contradict each other. I think we should have all been ready for none of it making sense since no character at any time asks how long the equinox has been in the Delta Quadrant. Seems like one of the first things I'd ask!

I meant, the writers had been dealing with Trek fans for 30 years at this point. It's not as if we were an unknown quantity! You think they'd be clearer...
 
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In the episode Caretaker, Neelix did say the Caretaker was sending ships back after he was done with them. In my "head canon" I always assumed the Caretaker was rather careless and often inaccurate about sending the ships back, meaning the Equinox actually ended up in another region of the Delta Quadrant. This would explain how they spent their first week dealing with the Krowtonan Guard, a race Voyager never encountered and how the Equinox presumably never encountered the Kazon or Vidiians, even though they seem to dominate the region of space Voyager first ended up. Not to mention Ransom even says they never had any run-ins with the Borg at all.

So, starting off at a different region of the Delta Quadrant, coming across a wormhole and eventually killing the "Space Dolphins" (when did that become the term for the aliens, BTW?) it seems plausible if still somewhat convenient that Voyager and Equinox met when they did.
 
In the episode Caretaker, Neelix did say the Caretaker was sending ships back after he was done with them. In my "head canon" I always assumed the Caretaker was rather careless and often inaccurate about sending the ships back, meaning the Equinox actually ended up in another region of the Delta Quadrant. This would explain how they spent their first week dealing with the Krowtonan Guard, a race Voyager never encountered and how the Equinox presumably never encountered the Kazon or Vidiians, even though they seem to dominate the region of space Voyager first ended up. Not to mention Ransom even says they never had any run-ins with the Borg at all.

So, starting off at a different region of the Delta Quadrant, coming across a wormhole and eventually killing the "Space Dolphins" (when did that become the term for the aliens, BTW?) it seems plausible if still somewhat convenient that Voyager and Equinox met when they did.


These where my thoughts as well.

I mean maybe a pre-credit cold open set 5 years previously of the Equinox return home being fucked up by a random Kaazon skirmish with the Caretaker or something (and only sending them halfway home) would've been a wicked alternative
 
meaning the Equinox actually ended up in another region of the Delta Quadrant. This would explain how they spent their first week dealing with the Krowtonan Guard, a race Voyager never encountered and how the Equinox presumably never encountered the Kazon or Vidiians, even though they seem to dominate the region of space Voyager first ended up.

I love that idea! Because it means "we" (as the viewers) learn a little more about another region of the mysterious Delta Quadrant.

FWIW, in ST: Star Charts, the Krowtonan Guard is nestled between the Haakonian Order and the edge of Vidiian space. Equinox and Voyager left the array at different angles, allowing Voyager to miss the Krowtonans. However, it fails to explain how the Equinox didn't meet the Vidiians.

Link: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Krowtonan_Guard (includes map image, though without other polities visible)
 
I love that idea! Because it means "we" (as the viewers) learn a little more about another region of the mysterious Delta Quadrant.

FWIW, in ST: Star Charts, the Krowtonan Guard is nestled between the Haakonian Order and the edge of Vidiian space. Equinox and Voyager left the array at different angles, allowing Voyager to miss the Krowtonans. However, it fails to explain how the Equinox didn't meet the Vidiians.

Link: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Krowtonan_Guard (includes map image, though without other polities visible)
Did Ransom ever say he didn't meet the Vidiians?
 
You're right, he only spoke of the Kazons, didn't he?

I'm waiting for the arrival of the Eaglemoss XL model of the Equinox before I rewatch the eps and re-read the novelization. I really love the look of the Nova class. :biggrin:
You and me both. I'm a big fan of the Ambassador class too (I see one in your avatar!)
 
You and me both. I'm a big fan of the Ambassador class too (I see one in your avatar!)
Thanks!
That Amby happens to be one ship called the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-C). When they left the alternate 2366, they took a bit of detour before getting back to Narendra III... (STO mission: "Temporal Ambassador")
 
On the subject of how Equinox and VOY ran into each other... that's fairly easy.
Even if the Equinox took a different route from the array back to Earth than Voy, both ships ultimate destinations would have been the same, so its likely they would have crossed paths one way or the other (unless one of the two ships got back to Earth first).

If Ransom managed to find a wormhole early on like he said, that could have transported his ship about 20 000 Ly's from their position until encountering the Ankari and the space dophins which gave them a Warp boost... that would account for the 10 000 Ly's he mentioned.

He mentioned that in his first week of being in the DQ, the Equinox encountered the Krowtonan Guard.
If the Equinox noticed the Kazon and had a bad encounter with them after his encounter with the Caretaker, it may have prompted him to run which drove his ship right into Krowtonan Guard doorstep in the first week - meaning the Guard space would have been fairly close to the Array.

But Ransom decided NOT to turn away from the Krowtonan Guard territory... instead he went through which prompted the Guard to attack him and resulting in Equinox losing 50% of its crew.

Voyager took a more direct route back to Earth, and Janeway already demonstrated she decided to power through and had a more capable ship.

I suspect Ransom was honest about the wormhole, but it probably took him a while to find it (depending on how long he's been in the DQ).
The route he initially took probably took him towards the Gamma Quadrant (or at least, he tried taking that route and then making a more direct line towards Earth... or he could have decided to go towards Idran system end of the Bajoran Wormhole... but the wormhole he found put him 20 000 ly's closer to Earth on a same trajectory Voyager was on - finds the Ankarans, and that's it.

Ankarans having a planet 50 Ly's away from where Voyager encountered the Equinox is not necessarily strange - It could be a distant colony or outpost the Ankarans established (10 000 Ly's away from their home planet)... and it makes sense they'd have a vessel near it.
Maybe the Ankarans had to find other prospective planets for colonization or outposts because other (more powerful and larger organizations) took everything else? Or if they are keeping close to their 'spirits'... its possible only certain planets meet Ankaran physiological conditions.
 
Did Ransom ever say he didn't meet the Vidiians?
Well, no, but really, I doubt the Equinox would last long against them. They successfully took the undamaged Voyager in Deadlock, an Equinox weakened by the Krowtonan Guard should have been super easy barely an inconvenience for them. So by virtue of the fact the Equinox was still around, I'd say they didn't have any run-ins with the Vidiians. Likewise, if they were flying around Kazon space, are we really supposed to believe they never once ran into another Kazon ship who would have recognized them as a Starfleet ship. A weaker Starfleet ship at that, which still would have had working transporters and therefore should be a priority target for the Kazon to capture.
 
On the subject of how Equinox and VOY ran into each other... that's fairly easy.
Even if the Equinox took a different route from the array back to Earth than Voy, both ships ultimate destinations would have been the same, so its likely they would have crossed paths one way or the other (unless one of the two ships got back to Earth first).

There would be only two places where the two ships would be"likely" to be close to each other: the Caretaker array, and Earth. Everything in between would mean a separation by thousands upon thousands of lightyears, considering the madly meandering route we see Voyager take (necessary because of the off-beeline shortcuts already, but veering off for other reasons as well).

It would be different if we could assume both ships aimed for a beeline, but we know that to be false. It would be different if we could assume both ships were channeled to the same optimal if serpentine path, but we know that to be false, too (they met different opponents, they took different shortcuts, Janeway had Seven and Neelix to give directions).

It would also be different if there were constrictors or attractors en route. But Ransom never appears to have paid attention to the Borg, so he wouldn't have squeezed through the Northwest Passage (which Janeway sidestepped anyway thanks to Kes). Taking the same wormhole would help, but Ransom never admits to doing so. And nothing so attractive ever popped up that it would have pulled two starships from their courses to investigate, again because Ransom and Janeway never agree to having met the same attractor, except very early in the game.

But I gather the last is our best bet: there could have been an attractor that turned out to be a disappointment but nevertheless synchronized the two skippers, neither of whom saw any point in returning to their original, differing courses after the disappointment. The later, the better: the Think Tank, perhaps?

If Ransom managed to find a wormhole early on like he said, that could have transported his ship about 20 000 Ly's from their position until encountering the Ankari and the space dophins which gave them a Warp boost... that would account for the 10 000 Ly's he mentioned.

...With all the accompanying complications and contradictions, yes. The wormhole story probably was intended to be part of the lie to cover up the dolphin abuse. But Ransom would still have needed a shortcut or two in order to get to where he was: if it was all thanks to dolphin-burning, then the issue gets even more contradictory, with Ransom now truly randomly running out of dolphin-fuel right next to Janeway even though he's otherwise moving hundreds of times faster than her and no doubt interested in doing a beeline.

Voyager took a more direct route back to Earth, and Janeway already demonstrated she decided to power through and had a more capable ship.

Which apparently meant she stopped more often to have adentures, and made more turns, simply because she could afford those. The seventh-season map certainly shows extreme twisting and turning, and Seven's course advice was supposed to make a big difference, which of course would not apply if the course was close to a beeline to begin with.

Ankarans having a planet 50 Ly's away from where Voyager encountered the Equinox is not necessarily strange - It could be a distant colony or outpost the Ankarans established (10 000 Ly's away from their home planet)... and it makes sense they'd have a vessel near it.

The real question there goes, how the hell did Janeway know there would be Ankari there?

She hasn't seen any Ankari that we'd know of. She hasn't been to that particular planet, or she would have attended a Spirit Seance (if before Ransom) or gotten a memorable reception, with sharpened avocados thrown at the away team (if after Ransom). She would have needed to get the directions from Ransom - but Ransom would probably only ever mention the original planet from which he got the Spirit Seance Springtrap idea in the first place. And how could Ransom have a map of all Ankari planets?

Timo Saloniemi
 
^ That last point is salient. It also deals with the unlikelihood of Ankari space being 10,000 LY across but allowing for instant communication (the Ankari ship they encountered knew the Equinox).

A wormhole is increasingly plausible, or even a part-boost from a dying Caretaker - there's no way Ransom could have avoided Borg space otherwise. I'm not even sure it's plausible he could have missed the Kazon or the Vidiians, given their proximity to the Caretaker's array and the size of their territory.

Sadly it's unlikely to be the Barzan Wormhole, though I love the idea. At a tenth of Voyager's speed, Ransom simply couldn't have got to it in any reasonable time.
 
I think Ransom discovered that he can get Anti-Matter fuel from the corpses of the Space Alien that he accidentally killed, then he slowly refined the efficiency in processing the dead corpse for said fuel and got faster and more efficient to the point that he can output enough energy and even get to higher levels of warp based on whatever science & research he gained on from said corpse.
 
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