Vulcans - Those dumb[*bleep*] deserve to be extinct!

[Amaris]

Because he is wrong, thats why.

How am I wrong? we all saw the movie and a lot of my friends have had the same questions about that particular storyline.

Then apparently neither you nor your friends are very good at paying attention -- to the film you saw, or to the answers we have given you in this thread.

I saw the film three times. On the very first time, the questions given by the OP were easily answered. I just watched the other two times for sheer enjoyment.

J.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Because he is wrong, thats why.

How am I wrong? we all saw the movie and a lot of my friends have had the same questions about that particular storyline.

Then apparently neither you nor your friends are very good at paying attention -- to the film you saw, or to the answers we have given you in this thread.

Oh get off your high horse. None of the answers are factual as to what was told on screen (therefore non cannon) and therefore doesn't add up. The Vulcans were in the Katric arc and were chanting on and on trying to preserve shit and only when Spock told them is when they broke their chants? Really?? And you call that a logical way of behaving? If Spock didn't arrive they'd be dead. So much for preserving their souls.

 

[Sci]

The Vulcans were in the Katric arc and were chanting on and on trying to preserve shit and only when Spock told them is when they broke their chants? Really?

Yes, presumably because they hadn't re-established communications with the capital at the time that Spock arrived. Recall that the Narada had been drilling into Vulcan for quite some time and that it was blocking all communications and sensors while doing so.

So, the Vulcan High Council gathers together at the Katric Ark to preserve some katras, and suddenly sensors and communications are restored. The High Council hasn't turned on their comm unit yet, because, hey, guess what, Vulcans have been long established to be technologically sparse in their holy sites ("Amok Time," ST3), so it's not like it's unreasonable to presume they might go a few minutes before turning their comm unit back on. Only it just so happens that those few minutes are the few minutes to go before all of Vulcan is consumed.

Spock beams down in the course of those few minutes and saves them. Hey, it happens. Not every system is perfect and mistakes get made, even when you try to be perfectly logical. Because Vulcans are not perfectly logical, and have never been portrayed as such. Big fucking deal.

 

[JarodRussell]

A mining beam blocking all communications, across the whole planet, possibly across the whole system. I call that crazy.

How could the Enterprise communicate with Nero when the beam was activated?

 

[DonIago]

The Enterprise and Nero were in close proximity and not -on- the planet. Also, it would make some sense that the ship equipped with the beam would have a comm system that could punch through it.

 

[iguana_tonante]

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Raving rants of a fanatical mind. Highly illogical.

 

[Franklin]

Because he is wrong, thats why.

How am I wrong? we all saw the movie and a lot of my friends have had the same questions about that particular storyline.

Okay, wrong was the wrong word, but I think that you are misinterpreting disinformation spread along during a crisis, which happens ALL the time and claiming them as failures on the Vulcans part. These movies detractors think they are plot holes...I guess I should say, they are wrong.

Right. They aren't plot holes because they can be explained within the context of the story.

I would add that no one knows what Nero is really doing until Chekov figures it out. Before that, it would probably be hard for anyone to believe Nero alone could (or would) destroy an entire planet.

I'd also add that if one were on Vulcan at the time Nero started his drill, it would probably take a while for it to sink in that this one beam (they'd probably think the drill itself is the weapon) is causing the havoc. It would also take a while to try to figure out why the beam is being fired. The beam was creating natural disasters on the planet. So, is this "weapon" a way of disabling Vulcan civilzation so it's incapable of dealing with an invasion? Is Vulcan being conquered? The beam itself would not destroy the planet.

As the events unfolded, they certainly wouldn't know that the beam is only a drill, and was only used to create a means by which the real weapon could be delivered.
They may have thought their civilization was doomed, but not the entire planet. And even if they finally concluded that someone really was committing genocide and the population had to escape, then they certainly wouldn't have thought the entire planet would be consumed in a matter of seconds.

 

[Sci]

A mining beam blocking all communications, across the whole planet, possibly across the whole system. I call that crazy.

Right, because certainly a ship from the 24th Century couldn't possibly have access to advanced technology not available to the 23rd Century. Especially not one capable of drilling straight into the core of an M-class planet.

How could the Enterprise communicate with Nero when the beam was activated?

Presumably because the Narada unblocked that frequency.

 

[ALF]

Oh well... at least Vulcans cannot feel ashamed.

 

[JarodRussell]

A mining beam blocking all communications, across the whole planet, possibly across the whole system. I call that crazy.

Right, because certainly a ship from the 24th Century couldn't possibly have access to advanced technology not available to the 23rd Century. Especially not one capable of drilling straight into the core of an M-class planet.

How could the Enterprise communicate with Nero when the beam was activated?

Presumably because the Narada unblocked that frequency.

Dude, is it a simple mining drill beam or a frequency blocking beam?

The blocked communications and transport signals were side effects of the drill. And the nature of side effects is that you can't control them, otherwise they wouldn't be side effects but features.
To unblock a frequency they would have had to modify the beam then... modify the side effect to clear a certain frequency. Makes no sense.

 

[Tom Servo]

A mining beam blocking all communications, across the whole planet, possibly across the whole system. I call that crazy.

Right, because certainly a ship from the 24th Century couldn't possibly have access to advanced technology not available to the 23rd Century. Especially not one capable of drilling straight into the core of an M-class planet.

How could the Enterprise communicate with Nero when the beam was activated?

Presumably because the Narada unblocked that frequency.

Dude, is it a simple mining drill beam or a frequency blocking beam?

The blocked communications and transport signals were side effects of the drill. And the nature of side effects is that you can't control them, otherwise they wouldn't be side effects but features.
To unblock a frequency they would have had to modify the beam then... modify the side effect to clear a certain frequency. Makes no sense.

No, but its certainly logical that the Narada's communications equipment is not disrupted by the beam, despite it being a hazard to everyone else's communications...

 

[DonIago]

^Heh, thought I already said this up above...

 

[M'Sharak]

^ I believe you did.

I'm recalling also that in Countdown #1, Narada was able to communicate with suited crew members standing on the drilling platform while the drill was in operation, so the interference/signal blocking might be in effect across most of the commonly-used communication frequency bands while still leaving some very high- or low-frequency bands relatively free of interference. Ham operators and broadcast-communications types will understand how this can be possible, and we've seen other instances in Trek of getting around jamming by using frequencies ordinarily reserved for other functions.

TrekMovie's preview of Issue #1 - note the second and third panels, particularly, and also that transporters could not be used due to interference preventing a lock.

 

[JarodRussell]

No, but its certainly logical that the Narada's communications equipment is not disrupted by the beam, despite it being a hazard to everyone else's communications...

Okay, explain this to me. My telephone isn't working. Your telephone is. So you are still able to call me, because your telephone is so powerful and can bring my phone to work when you call me?

Now since you will definately jump at "a telephone is not how this works", take a walkie-talkie if you want.

So that two ships can talk to each other, both of them need working communications. It doesn't work when only one of them being able to send signals.

Ham operators and broadcast-communications types will understand how this can be possible, and we've seen other instances in Trek of getting around jamming by using frequencies ordinarily reserved for other functions.

But the Vulcan's couldn't. How sad for them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well they are a century behind Nero in comm tech.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Sure they deserved to go extinct. Based on the way these particular writers chose to depict of them.

The ENT vulcans can go caroling with the dodos too.

 

[T'Girl]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

Yes the Vulcans knew the Narada was in their star system.
Yes the Vulcans knew the Narada destroyed their defense fleet - if any.
Yes the Vulcans knew there was a large ship in orbit, forget sensors, you could see it. I can see the ISS with my little telescope at night.
Yes the Vulcans would of seen the Narada in the sky during broad daylight.
Yes the Vulcan knew 'something' was being fired at the the surface.
Stop. There's no way to know it wasn't 'just' weapons fire. Boring into a world to deposit a substance in order to destroy it is something new.
Yes the Vulcans aren't the best at creative thinking.

"Hey, Sarek? Yeah I understand you can only bang me once every seven years but I have to ask..

Its not like Vulcans are as dumb and illiterate as the people of New Orleans are they?

Are you seriously going to blame the people of New Orleans for the Katrina disaster? Have you no idea how hard it actually is to get mass numbers of people to move?

First comment made me stop and laugh, thank you.

Second comment. Especially when all the emergency services people first grabbed their own familys and beat feet out of town.

And as we ALL know, President George Bush used his psychic powers to direct the storm solely over poor neighborhoods.

 

[Alrik]

Okay, I don't have the comic and didn't remember that part. It does seem a bit awkward, doesn't it?

I don't see it as all that problematic. The Narada would have easily monitored the Comm traffic between George and Winona while he was protecting the shuttles. They would have also heard the 'naming' conversation. This leads to two paths. 1. I would think if I were Nero, I would want to know who the hell it was who just severly fucked up my ship. 2. If he had studied Kirk, and went back and listened to the Comm recordings between the Kelvin and the shuttle, it would become pretty obvious to him that Jim Tiberius was most likely JTK, and that it was his father who rammed the ship. Even if Nero wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, I'd think that even he could figure it out over twenty plus years.

Now as far as not firing on the Enterprise, that's pretty easy. Having studied Spock, Nero would think that Spock would be aboard. Nero wouldn't have any idea that he was no longer in the prime universe, therefore Spock should be serving under Pike as far as he knows.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think Nero might have been a Jim Kirk fanboy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sure they deserved to go extinct. Based on the way these particular writers chose to depict of them.

The ENT vulcans can go caroling with the dodos too.

TOS Vulcans too? After all they starked the ball rolling with T'pring, T'Pau,Stonn and of course Spock and Sarek. All of whom had a flaw or two.