Vulcans - Those dumb[*bleep*] deserve to be extinct!

[StarTrek1701]

No wonder those pointy-eared dumbfucks are now nearly out of existence! After my umpteenth viewing of The Great Star Trek movie, I have come to the conclusion that Vulcans not only deserved to be extinct but even the remaining few need to be executed by Klingons for being the biggest idiots in the Alpha Quadrant!

There they are, dismissing Spock as "disadvantaged" yet after thousands of years of space exploration experience, those logically illogical numbskulls can't detect a freakin' five mile long ship orbiting at the cusp of its atmosphere that is drilling hellfire through to its core. Not only that, but how abnormally dumb is Amanda for not telling Sarek what she saw?

"Hey, Sarek? Yeah I understand you can only bang me once every seven years but I have to ask.. I just went to our balcony and saw hellfire being shot down towards the surface of Vulcan. Are there any news from the highly intelligent members of the Vulcan science academy?"

To which Sarek obviously responded:

"We have no time of what you speak of woman! We must gather at the subterranean Katric Arc to pray chants that obviously no logical scientific minds of our world would be doing. But it is the honored Vulcan way. Lets go."


I of course am guessing she didn't say anything. Okay, that being said, why the hell couldn't Vulcan's own space military detect what the hell was going on? And why would a thousand-year old space exploring culture even need to send a distress signal outwards towards the Federation to assist them in such a catastrophe? The tech in the Trekverse clearly shows anti-gravity technology is as easily made as car engines of today's world. So why couldn't Vulcans get the hell out after getting the planetwide tremors that was breaking down the planet from its core?


And, why were the elders of Vulcan society being so intelligent couldn't get the fuck off planet the moment a planetwide tremor was registered but rather stay and chant till a half-breed had to run to them and pull their asses out? But primarily speaking why would Vulcans not have a contingency plan on how to GTFO planet in such an emergency???? Its not like Vulcans are as dumb and illiterate as the people of New Orleans are they?

New Orleans: "Hey, let's just sit out a CAT-5 tornado and tsunami coming our way!"

Vulcans: "These tremors being caused by this alien hellfire drilling ship is nothing. We will pray to our deceased elders for guidance."

Given all the evidence I'd say Nero did the Federation a favor by taking out those logically idiotic fucknuts out of the picture and show the Feds that Romulans are not to be fucked with!

Romulans! Fuck. Yeah!

 

[Chrisisall]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

I *reach* dude, but the title of your post needs to be amended. Put ****'s in at least.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

No wonder those pointy-eared dumbfucks are now nearly out of existence! After my umpteenth viewing of The Great Star Trek movie, I have come to the conclusion that Vulcans not only deserved to be extinct but even the remaining few need to be executed by Klingons for being the biggest idiots in the Alpha Quadrant!

There they are, dismissing Spock as "disadvantaged" yet after thousands of years of space exploration experience, those logically illogical numbskulls can't detect a freakin' five mile long ship orbiting at the cusp of its atmosphere that is drilling hellfire through to its core. Not only that, but how abnormally dumb is Amanda for not telling Sarek what she saw?

"Hey, Sarek? Yeah I understand you can only bang me once every seven years but I have to ask.. I just went to our balcony and saw hellfire being shot down towards the surface of Vulcan. Are there any news from the highly intelligent members of the Vulcan science academy?"

To which Sarek obviously responded:

"We have no time of what you speak of woman! We must gather at the subterranean Katric Arc to pray chants that obviously no logical scientific minds of our world would be doing. But it is the honored Vulcan way. Lets go."


I of course am guessing she didn't say anything. Okay, that being said, why the hell couldn't Vulcan's own space military detect what the hell was going on? And why would a thousand-year old space exploring culture even need to send a distress signal outwards towards the Federation to assist them in such a catastrophe? The tech in the Trekverse clearly shows anti-gravity technology is as easily made as car engines of today's world. So why couldn't Vulcans get the hell out after getting the planetwide tremors that was breaking down the planet from its core?


And, why were the elders of Vulcan society being so intelligent couldn't get the fuck off planet the moment a planetwide tremor was registered but rather stay and chant till a half-breed had to run to them and pull their asses out? But primarily speaking why would Vulcans not have a contingency plan on how to GTFO planet in such an emergency???? Its not like Vulcans are as dumb and illiterate as the people of New Orleans are they?

New Orleans: "Hey, let's just sit out a CAT-5 tornado and tsunami coming our way!"

Vulcans: "These tremors being caused by this alien hellfire drilling ship is nothing. We will pray to our deceased elders for guidance."

Given all the evidence I'd say Nero did the Federation a favor by taking out those logically idiotic fucknuts out of the picture and show the Feds that Romulans are not to be fucked with!

Romulans! Fuck. Yeah!

I would imagine Nero probably dispatched the Vulcan fleet with little trouble.

But you're really dead on with the rest of it. This movie really asks for you to make way too many leaps of logic for the story to work. If not for the cast, I'm pretty sure this film would've been laughed out of the theaters.

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

Yes, the Vulcans of this movie clearly deserved to get eradicated. They were depicted as a bunch of arrogant racists, both little kids and adults, not as the wise, righteous, logical conscience of the galaxy they actually should be in the Star Trek universe.

Enterprise already messed this up. This movie continued that trend.

 

[Tom Servo]

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It actually makes a lot of sense if you ask me. I mean really, whenever a major disaster occurs on our planet, how many times is disinformation passed along, or information thats not entirely updated.

I mean look at the timeline here:

-The Narada warps out into Vulcan orbit, takes out all the Vulcan defense force ships in the area.

-The Narada begins to drill. It's even stated in the film that when the drill is online it knocks out long range communications and screws up sensor readings, so the Vulcans, deaf and blind, don't even know what the hell is going on, only that a big beam thing is drilling into their planet. They send out a distress call to the main Starfleet task force at Earth, and all the Earth listening posts pick up a Vulcan transmission that states that they are in distress and are experiencing a geological incident.

-That report is relayed to the Starfleet captains of the task force...who Warp to Vulcan.

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time figuring this out. Anything that got close the Narada was destroyed, and the Enterprise would have been too if not for Nero recognizing her.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

Yes, the Vulcans of this movie clearly deserved to get eradicated. They were depicted as a bunch of arrogant racists, both little kids and adults, not as the wise, righteous, logical conscience of the galaxy they actually should be in the Star Trek universe.

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I don't know. I think people tend to romanticize the Vulcans too much. As far back as TOS, they've always been portrayed as, er, difficult.

Sarek doesn't speak to his son for eighteen years just because he joined Starfleet.

T'Pring plots to get Kirk or Spock killed just to get out of an arranged marriage.

T'Pau insists on going through with this barbaric life-or-death combat ritual--even though Kirk clearly had no idea what he was getting into.

Valeris turns traitor to sabotage the Klingon peace initiative.

It didn't start with ENTERPRISE. Aside from Spock, the Vulcans have always been hard to get along with.

 

[ALF]

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I always thought Vulcans showed us what it would be like without passion and emotion... cold and clinical. By that extention, humans may be savage and warlike but the balance that exists having emotions leads us away from the dark points of Vulcan society.

Star Trek aliens are protrayed as incredibly unbalanced. Klingons: warlike, Ferengi: greedy, Romulans: paranoid, etc etc.

Also, I thought one of the best things Enterprise did was show the Vulcans as untrustworthy. Seen as a mistake from closed minded Canon Thumpers, it helped Vulcan society make "more sense" as having growing pains that would establish itself in the centuries that followed... instead of a perfectly logical race that had no sworn enemies. They seem more real by having obvious flaws, and if NuTrek continues this exploration I think that's brilliant.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

Yes, the Vulcans of this movie clearly deserved to get eradicated. They were depicted as a bunch of arrogant racists, both little kids and adults, not as the wise, righteous, logical conscience of the galaxy they actually should be in the Star Trek universe.

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I don't know. I think people tend to romanticize the Vulcans too much. As far back as TOS, they've always been portrayed as, er, difficult.

Sarek doesn't speak to his son for eighteen years just because he joined Starfleet.

T'Pring plots to get Kirk or Spock killed just to get out of an arranged marriage.

T'Pau insists on going through with this barbaric life-or-death combat ritual--even though Kirk clearly had no idea what he was getting into.

Valeris turns traitor to sabotage the Klingon peace initiative.

It didn't start with ENTERPRISE. Aside from Spock, the Vulcans have always been hard to get along with.

And in TOS it was mentioned that Spock was bullied in school because he was half human, so yeah, they're not the most outstanding members of the Federation.

 

[Sci]

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There they are, dismissing Spock as "disadvantaged" yet after thousands of years of space exploration experience, those logically illogical numbskulls can't detect a freakin' five mile long ship orbiting at the cusp of its atmosphere that is drilling hellfire through to its core.

What makes you think they couldn't detect the Narada? As you might recall, it kicked everyone's ass, and there was debris from the saucer section of a ship that was much larger than any of the ships we saw traveling to Vulcan with the Enterprise, which means that the Narada probably had to fight through local defenses in addition to the Starfleet taskforce sent from Earth.

Starfleet Headquarters on Earth didn't know that the Narada was there, but that's because the Narada's drill was jamming all outgoing transmissions from Vulcan; there is no evidence that the Vulcans didn't know the Narada was there and drilling into their world. Though they probably didn't know about the Red Matter and the planned creation of a black hole in their core, since even the Enterprise didn't detect it until after the drill itself was damaged.

Not only that, but how abnormally dumb is Amanda for not telling Sarek what she saw?

"Hey, Sarek? Yeah I understand you can only bang me once every seven years but I have to ask.. I just went to our balcony and saw hellfire being shot down towards the surface of Vulcan. Are there any news from the highly intelligent members of the Vulcan science academy?"

To which Sarek obviously responded:

"We have no time of what you speak of woman! We must gather at the subterranean Katric Arc to pray chants that obviously no logical scientific minds of our world would be doing. But it is the honored Vulcan way. Lets go."

Um, no, they were at the Katric Arc because they were trying to telepathically transfer all the katras out of their containers and into their own minds, to ensure their survival during the evacuation. I thought it was fairly obvious. What else would they be doing in the place where katras are stored?

And there's no reason to think Amanda didn't tell Sarek what she'd seen -- but there's also no reason to think that the Vulcans would know about the plan to create a black hole in the center of their world.

I of course am guessing she didn't say anything. Okay, that being said, why the hell couldn't Vulcan's own space military detect what the hell was going on? And why would a thousand-year old space exploring culture even need to send a distress signal outwards towards the Federation to assist them in such a catastrophe?

1. I'm sure that Vulcan's defenses and Vulcan-based Starfleet forces did detect the Narada, and I'm sure that the Narada kicked their asses.

2. Vulcan is not an independent world, it is part of the Federation. It is entirely appropriate for Vulcan to send a distress signal to the Federation capital to ask for more Starfleet ships in an emergency. You might as well ask why New York sent distress signals to Washington on 9/11.

The tech in the Trekverse clearly shows anti-gravity technology is as easily made as car engines of today's world. So why couldn't Vulcans get the hell out after getting the planetwide tremors that was breaking down the planet from its core?

1. The Narada was blocking all transmissions in Vulcan space, remember? Their planetary communication system was probably severely inhibited.

2. There's no reason to think that the Vulcans weren't trying to get off-planet throughout most of the battle. It's not like we saw anything other than the area of space around the Narada -- obviously no evacuation ships are going to go anywhere near there after it plowed through every other ship that attacked it.

Confused and not paying attention, obviously.

Its not like Vulcans are as dumb and illiterate as the people of New Orleans are they?

Are you seriously going to blame the people of New Orleans for the Katrina disaster? Have you no idea how hard it actually is to get mass numbers of people to move?

 

[M'Sharak]

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I *reach* dude, but the title of your post needs to be amended. Put ****'s in at least.

The thread title has been altered so that "dumbfucks" won't keep turning up on the Main Index.

 

[Yug]

I've always felt the Vulcans were a flawed race. They seem to be clinically depressed. Which derives their arrogance and xenophopia and leads to their isolation, because they hate themselves. They just want to be alone. In Enterprise, it seemed they kept us humans down because we were the jocks, we would bring a party to space and invite all our loud new pals we'd meet, but they didn't want us to rock, cuz our music would bleed thru the walls of their library!!

I think in a way, they welcomed the destruction of their planet, as if to say... "nobody likes us, everybody hates us, I guess we'll just go eat worms."

I wish the only Vulcan we ever met was Spock. He was simply a one-note character created to see humanity thru cold eyes, giving a slight antagonistic view of us dumb humans; he was the antithesis of what we are, which made for great debates about the role humans would play in meeting new races and the issues they’d represent in an imperfect society. But even Spock, as demonstrated best in Star Trek XI grew as a well rounded character, balancing all it is to be vulcan and human: a sensitive genius still guided by logic... who found it logical to care.

 

[FlapJoy]

The destruction of Vulcan, I felt, was a great act of symbolism. Proving that pure science, order, and logic can't protect you from the chaos of the universe... a lesson that has always driven Star Trek story lines.

 

[darkshadow0001]

No wonder those pointy-eared dumbfucks are now nearly out of existence! After my umpteenth viewing of The Great Star Trek movie, I have come to the conclusion that Vulcans not only deserved to be extinct but even the remaining few need to be executed by Klingons for being the biggest idiots in the Alpha Quadrant!

There they are, dismissing Spock as "disadvantaged" yet after thousands of years of space exploration experience, those logically illogical numbskulls can't detect a freakin' five mile long ship orbiting at the cusp of its atmosphere that is drilling hellfire through to its core. Not only that, but how abnormally dumb is Amanda for not telling Sarek what she saw?

"Hey, Sarek? Yeah I understand you can only bang me once every seven years but I have to ask.. I just went to our balcony and saw hellfire being shot down towards the surface of Vulcan. Are there any news from the highly intelligent members of the Vulcan science academy?"

To which Sarek obviously responded:

"We have no time of what you speak of woman! We must gather at the subterranean Katric Arc to pray chants that obviously no logical scientific minds of our world would be doing. But it is the honored Vulcan way. Lets go."


I of course am guessing she didn't say anything. Okay, that being said, why the hell couldn't Vulcan's own space military detect what the hell was going on? And why would a thousand-year old space exploring culture even need to send a distress signal outwards towards the Federation to assist them in such a catastrophe? The tech in the Trekverse clearly shows anti-gravity technology is as easily made as car engines of today's world. So why couldn't Vulcans get the hell out after getting the planetwide tremors that was breaking down the planet from its core?


And, why were the elders of Vulcan society being so intelligent couldn't get the fuck off planet the moment a planetwide tremor was registered but rather stay and chant till a half-breed had to run to them and pull their asses out? But primarily speaking why would Vulcans not have a contingency plan on how to GTFO planet in such an emergency???? Its not like Vulcans are as dumb and illiterate as the people of New Orleans are they?

New Orleans: "Hey, let's just sit out a CAT-5 tornado and tsunami coming our way!"

Vulcans: "These tremors being caused by this alien hellfire drilling ship is nothing. We will pray to our deceased elders for guidance."

Given all the evidence I'd say Nero did the Federation a favor by taking out those logically idiotic fucknuts out of the picture and show the Feds that Romulans are not to be fucked with!

Romulans! Fuck. Yeah!

But the Vulcans had a disappointment, they were beaten by technology that was from another universe let alone another time-period. Obviously these Vulcans didn't have the same technology as the ones from Enterprise did.

 

[jkayd]

I think the reason why Vulcans are such jerks is that they are secretly jealous of the fact that humans don't have to repress their emotions. They also know everyone else hates them - they don't have the necessary communication skills to get along with other species but are too arrogant to admit their own weaknesses.

 

[BillJ]

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... and the Enterprise would have been too if not for Nero recognizing her.

Which is another troubling leap. How did he even know Spock was serving on the Enterprise at that time (and it was a pretty good guess too considering that Starfleet ships all look pretty similar from a distance)? Or that a Lieutenant Kirk was serving on the Kelvin?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Vulcans - Those dumbfucks deserve to be extinct!

Yes, the Vulcans of this movie clearly deserved to get eradicated. They were depicted as a bunch of arrogant racists, both little kids and adults, not as the wise, righteous, logical conscience of the galaxy they actually should be in the Star Trek universe.

Enterprise already messed this up. This movie continued that trend.

Vulcans were never intended to be wise, logical, boring mentors for humans, but rather interesting aliens in their own right, with their own issues and neuroses. They have always been depicted as deeply conflicted. The choice of "Vulcan" as the name of their planet - god of volcanoes - those things that seem dormant for a long, long time but are actually highly dangerous and explode without warning - isn't an accident.

Okay not everyone loves ENT but it's as canon as it comes, and the scene in which T'Pol explained to Trip that Vulcans are more violently emotional than humans is the key to understanding them and why they make a fetish of logic (it ain't just for kicks) and also understanding the Romulans, who presumably share this trait.

For story purposes, it makes little difference if 99% of Vulcans have been wiped out. We only see a dozen or so of them on screen and only a handful have dialogue, and there are plenty left for that. They've been set up in the ongoing plotline so that they are going to have more "issues" than ever, and Spock in particular is most likely going to embark on a different character arc than the one in the Prime Universe. Looking forward to it!

Proving that pure science, order, and logic can't protect you from the chaos of the universe... a lesson that has always driven Star Trek story lines.

Uh, what Star Trek have you been watching? Star Trek's overall theme is the opposite - that despite all the violence, chaos, and occasional dirty dealings needed to keep all the shit together, the cosmos is ultimately a controllable place that can be conquered via a Kirkian combination of guts, smarts, determination, common sense, compassion, and yes, science & logic & rationalism & all that good stuff. Even dark and nasty DS9 supported that theme, despite all the messiness; TNG certainly did.

Your quote would be better suited to RDM's BSG, perhaps. I think the ongoing Vulcan movie plotline is going to take the DS9 approach to supporting Trek's theme only after a lot of nastiness and angst, to "sell" it to the audience and not make it seem too easy to be credible.

If JJ Abrams wanted to be mean, he wouldn't have allowed the Vulcans to retain their culture. That they did implies that, within a few decades, they will rebuild their culture and much of their population. That new planet of theirs will very likely be a doppleganger for the Vulcan we've already seen.

The conflict will be between the wiser Vulcans, who will be calm and philosophical, and Spock, who inevitably will struggle with his need for vengeance. He's going to be put through the emotional wringer to a much greater degree than Spock Prime ever was. But I have no doubt logic will prevail in the end. Hero-characters going to the Dark Side is for Star Wars, after all.

 

[M'Sharak]

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... and the Enterprise would have been too if not for Nero recognizing her.

Which is another troubling leap. How did he even know Spock was serving on the Enterprise at that time (and it was a pretty good guess too considering that Starfleet ships all look pretty similar from a distance)?

It's not covered in the movie, but Nero is shown in the Countdown comic (pre-destruction of Romulus) researching a number of subjects, among them Spock, the Enterprise and James T. Kirk. He would have been familiar with Spock's service record.

Or that a Lieutenant Kirk was serving on the Kelvin?

I don't believe that there's any indication that Nero did know this, nor that he'd even heard of the Kelvin before. What reason do you have for thinking so?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I've always felt the Vulcans were a flawed race.

Yep.

They seem to be clinically depressed.

Not precisely...

In Enterprise, it seemed they kept us humans down because we were the jocks, we would bring a party to space and invite all our loud new pals we'd meet, but they didn't want us to rock, cuz our music would bleed thru the walls of their library!!

And that would require them to bust down the door and cave in the skulls of the idiot humans who were making too much noise. Why take the risk of that happening when it's so much safer just to get the humans to STFU?

I think in a way, they welcomed the destruction of their planet, as if to say... "nobody likes us, everybody hates us, I guess we'll just go eat worms."

They're headaches but not self-pitying and pathetic!

I think the reason why Vulcans are such jerks is that they are secretly jealous of the fact that humans don't have to repress their emotions.

Now you're onto something. Vulcans have been royally screwed over by Mother Nature and given personalities that make it exceedingly difficult to tolerate each other and form the large, functional societies necessary to become spacefaring powers or just not blow up their planet. Both they and the Rommies have to go to great lengths to compensate. Then they look at humans, who get along with each other in close quarters like happy little prairie dogs living in some gigantic prairie dog colony, yapping incessantly in their mindless prairie dog way, and it drives them NUTS! But they can't let the prairie dogs know that...

 

[BillJ]

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... and the Enterprise would have been too if not for Nero recognizing her.

Which is another troubling leap. How did he even know Spock was serving on the Enterprise at that time (and it was a pretty good guess too considering that Starfleet ships all look pretty similar from a distance)?

It's not covered in the movie, but Nero is shown in the Countdown comic (pre-destruction of Romulus) researching a number of subjects, among them Spock, the Enterprise and James T. Kirk. He would have been familiar with Spock's service record.

Or that a Lieutenant Kirk was serving on the Kelvin?

I don't believe that there's any indication that Nero did know this, nor that he'd even heard of the Kelvin before. What reason do you have for thinking so?

Have Countdown... which is still problematic.

At the end Nero says he's going to kill Kirk just like he did Kirk's father.

 

[M'Sharak]

Okay, I don't have the comic and didn't remember that part. It does seem a bit awkward, doesn't it?