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VTOL Cargo Planes

He never reported any results of his sub-massive scale magnetic flux experiment.

Taccy? How'd it turn out?
 
>>Cargolifter>>

Technology and materials have changed since then likely allowing an increase in the weight of the payload that could be carried. Even if it just delivered clothes and blankets and other similar items it would be more beneficial than not even getting it there at all.

Do you agree or disagree with what I have just said?

Nope, I don't, Mr Aerospace. The tech hasn't changed enough.

Consider:

LZ 129 Hindenburg
Crew: 40 to 61
Capacity: 50-72 passengers
Length: 245 m (803 ft 10 in)
Diameter: 41 m (130 ft 0 in)
Volume: 200,000 m³ (7,100,000 ft³)
Powerplant: 4 × Daimler-Benz DB 602 diesel engines, 890 kW (1,200 hp) each


If it takes a nearly a quarter of a million cubic meters to loft a mere 133 people with 399 person/days of consumables, exactly how much sail area will you attempt to overcome with power for an INCREDIBLY MASSIVE Airship a la Taccy?

Oops! Almost forgot! You need to drastically increase the balloon size to get the same lift with Helium...provided saftey is to be a factor.

We can produce now far more lightweight stronger materials than they used to have and other technology could be incorporated along with the Balloon to give lift.
 
>>Cargolifter>>

Technology and materials have changed since then likely allowing an increase in the weight of the payload that could be carried. Even if it just delivered clothes and blankets and other similar items it would be more beneficial than not even getting it there at all.

Do you agree or disagree with what I have just said?

Nope, I don't, Mr Aerospace. The tech hasn't changed enough.

Consider:

LZ 129 Hindenburg
Crew: 40 to 61
Capacity: 50-72 passengers
Length: 245 m (803 ft 10 in)
Diameter: 41 m (130 ft 0 in)
Volume: 200,000 m³ (7,100,000 ft³)
Powerplant: 4 × Daimler-Benz DB 602 diesel engines, 890 kW (1,200 hp) each


If it takes a nearly a quarter of a million cubic meters to loft a mere 133 people with 399 person/days of consumables, exactly how much sail area will you attempt to overcome with power for an INCREDIBLY MASSIVE Airship a la Taccy?

Oops! Almost forgot! You need to drastically increase the balloon size to get the same lift with Helium...provided saftey is to be a factor.

We can produce now far more lightweight stronger materials than they used to have and other technology could be incorporated along with the Balloon to give lift.

Taking drops of water out of the ocean, lighter-than-air gasses can only lift so much and no amount of techology is going to change the laws of physics.
 
Nope, I don't, Mr Aerospace. The tech hasn't changed enough.

Consider:

LZ 129 Hindenburg
Crew: 40 to 61
Capacity: 50-72 passengers
Length: 245 m (803 ft 10 in)
Diameter: 41 m (130 ft 0 in)
Volume: 200,000 m³ (7,100,000 ft³)
Powerplant: 4 × Daimler-Benz DB 602 diesel engines, 890 kW (1,200 hp) each


If it takes a nearly a quarter of a million cubic meters to loft a mere 133 people with 399 person/days of consumables, exactly how much sail area will you attempt to overcome with power for an INCREDIBLY MASSIVE Airship a la Taccy?

Oops! Almost forgot! You need to drastically increase the balloon size to get the same lift with Helium...provided saftey is to be a factor.

We can produce now far more lightweight stronger materials than they used to have and other technology could be incorporated along with the Balloon to give lift.

Taking drops of water out of the ocean, lighter-than-air gasses can only lift so much and no amount of techology is going to change the laws of physics.

Put another way, if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle. BTW, Trekker, so cool you have Chloe O'Brien (Mary Lynn Rajskub) in your avatar.
 
We can produce now far more lightweight stronger materials than they used to have and other technology could be incorporated along with the Balloon to give lift.

Taking drops of water out of the ocean, lighter-than-air gasses can only lift so much and no amount of techology is going to change the laws of physics.

Put another way, if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle. BTW, Trekker, so cool you have Chloe O'Brien (Mary Lynn Rajskub) in your avatar.

She looked so hot in that picture I had to don it. :)
 
Couldn't resist. :D
Oh ya Robotech .. Love the image.

I don't think they ever launched in VTOL Gerwalk/Guardian mode. Looking back at the series though it could have been quite cool to see a Veritech squad blasting from the deck like a bunch of patriot missiles. Given the footprint is much less in that mode storage moving and launching could have saved much of resources of SDF1
 
How Not to Build a Heavy-Lift Airship, Lesson 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jE...F64003C8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=72

You should watch the whole thing, but the fun really starts at about 1:05

And they put people in that thing? Madness.

That is the craziest thing I've ever seen, and the four helicopter propulsion/helper units really gives one a sense of scale. This seriously looks like one of Tachy's Rube Goldbergian brilliant ideas come to life.
 
You don't need to land an aircraft to deliver supplies, you can drop stuff by parachute. During the Viet Nam war the USAF developed a low altitude delivery system where the plane would fly a low level pass down the runway and the cargo had a lanyard that caught a hook on the ground, which pulled the pallets out of the airplane. It was refined where they could deliver eggs with that thing. It's called LAPES, for 'Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System".

Cargo airships... well, the big problem is water is a thousand times denser than air. Its not that hard to make a ship that floats, after all there are thousands of cargo ships in service. As much as Tacchy proposes miracle lightweight materials I don't know that you could improve cargo capacity much more than twice that of the Hindenburg. Twice 'not that much' is what, maybe fifty containers? Trying to compete with ships that carry a thousand is gonna be tough. Even if Tacchyburg can cruise at a hundred miles an hour it still can't compete with ships. The container ship can deliver those thousand containers at less cost in one trip than T-burg can in forty; remember the bionic blimp has to make return trips to pick up more containers.


I wonder if Tacchy is going to assert it only takes one newton of thrust to propel his super blimps around...
 
Taking drops of water out of the ocean, lighter-than-air gasses can only lift so much and no amount of techology is going to change the laws of physics.

Put another way, if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle. BTW, Trekker, so cool you have Chloe O'Brien (Mary Lynn Rajskub) in your avatar.

She looked so hot in that picture I had to don it. :)

Yeah, she is hot! Sarcastic women can be sexy, don't you think?
 
LAPES with a blimp?? Why do I keep having this mental image of the emergency stop scene in Spaceballs??? LOL
 
You don't need to land an aircraft to deliver supplies, you can drop stuff by parachute. During the Viet Nam war the USAF developed a low altitude delivery system where the plane would fly a low level pass down the runway and the cargo had a lanyard that caught a hook on the ground, which pulled the pallets out of the airplane. It was refined where they could deliver eggs with that thing. It's called LAPES, for 'Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System".

LAPES can be good for dropping stuff off when done right. When it isn't, things can go really wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqPDe-nZK6w

Don't think the eggs made it on that drop.

Here's some more, some LAPES, some not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udk2jOJfoIw&feature=fvw
 
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Cargo airships... well, the big problem is water is a thousand times denser than air. Its not that hard to make a ship that floats, after all there are thousands of cargo ships in service. As much as Tacchy proposes miracle lightweight materials I don't know that you could improve cargo capacity much more than twice that of the Hindenburg. Twice 'not that much' is what, maybe fifty containers? Trying to compete with ships that carry a thousand is gonna be tough. Even if Tacchyburg can cruise at a hundred miles an hour it still can't compete with ships. The container ship can deliver those thousand containers at less cost in one trip than T-burg can in forty; remember the bionic blimp has to make return trips to pick up more containers.

I'm just wonder why no-one has ever developed the Russina Ekronplan idea any further.

They build the Lun which can carry 1000 tonnes at 550 knots. So while it won't match a cargo ship for more time senstive good and materials it would make a good idea.

Would also been great for military deployment (though I guess power acess could be the drawback). A C17 at the same speed can carry 77tonnes.

Thought the Globemaster wins on the range having 2.5 times the range.
 
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The only VTOL transport currently available is the Osprey..and they are being used in Haiti. The airport there is a joke..the seaport isn't much better..a serious lack of infrastructure and the total collapse of the Haitian government has made a serious situation much worse..added to the fact that a VTOL transport has to have an area secured big enough for it to land...airdrops were not effective in Haiti as there's no security and folks can get killed by the falling supplies..(this happened in Afghanistan several times)


Wish lists of aircraft not produced or deployed for proper operational reasons won't help the poor folks suffering there...

Had Napoleon had a B-52 bomber at the Battle of Waterloo, the world would be much different....but it doesn't excuse this fact, that the very suggestion is stupid in the extreme..
 
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