Even bad Trek is better than a lot of the "decent" stuff on t.v. these days.
True!
Make that double true!!
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Make that double true!!
How about a 3 way?Even bad Trek is better than a lot of the "decent" stuff on t.v. these days.
True!
Make that double true!!
You know, I have to agree with that assessment. Great post!
I think TOS was definitely harder Sci-Fi, and there was a bunch of preaching in it as well. Think about how many times Kirk had to teach some "god" a lesson about humanity. TOS aso had that 60's "James Bond" style, where the main hero is bold, dashing, adventurous, has a girl on one arm, and a weapon in the other hand.
TNG tried to get away from this style by reaching toward a "realistic" type of environment within its boundaries. The look was updated to reflect what true technology might be like. The characters were to some extend toned down to reflect what it might be like in a naval vessel. Characters like the captain were written to reflect a more realistic way a captain of a naval ship might react. Same with the crew.
DS9 was too melodramatic for me. It moved away from the Sci-Fi angle I enjoyed in the other series, and concentrated too much on its characters. To me most of them were uninteresting. The one character I liked a little was Odo, and they totally ruined him at the end.
Voyager took TNG's established writing rules, but toned down the seriousness of the show. They decided to have more fun with the stories. When I look back, I'm glad they did. I would have hated a whole 7 years of nuBSG style "woe is me" writing for the entire series. What would even be the point of going back to the Federation? They could never reintegrate with society if they had taken the low approach to get home.
Enterprise committed the sin of patronizing its viewers. First they recycled the look and feel of Voyager, but then tell us this is supposed to be "pre TOS". That wouldn't have been so bad, but then they decide to "wink" to the audience every chance they get about the upcoming Federation, and about upcoming 24th Century Aliens/Technology. It got ridiculous when they began a prequel with a "Temporal Cold War". I half expected the Relativity to show up eventually, but they didn't even have an idea who "Future guy" was, and never did explain it. It's too bad Star Trek had to end on that note. (Yes I know "Star Trek" the movie is out, and while I loved it and thought it was great, It's really a reboot of the franchise and will probably only be superficially the Star Trek we know and love)
Hell yes!! I remember when I saw her in that Vidiian Phage episode where she is split into human and klingon. Human B'Elanna was smoking hot!!! I'd have married her in 1.7 seconds cold!!
She married Damar from DS9 for a time.
Their desire to work together would have been some fabulous crossoveirng if they didn't punk out an give him a new character to play like they did with Weyooun.
My gods, Weyoun on Star Trek.
can you imagine him parked at the Delta quadrant border (yes the Dominion is just that huge.) with a Cheshire smile waiting to say something like "You can come in if you like, but I wouldn't if I were you, because your kind isn't welcome around these parts."
Their desire to work together would have been some fabulous crossoveirng if they didn't punk out an give him a new character to play like they did with Weyooun.
My gods, Weyoun on Star Trek.
can you imagine him parked at the Delta quadrant border (yes the Dominion is just that huge.) with a Cheshire smile waiting to say something like "You can come in if you like, but I wouldn't if I were you, because your kind isn't welcome around these parts."
Generally Trek fans seem to consider Voyager as in a never-ending neck-in-neck race with "Enterprise" as the worst Trek serieses.
Trek fans usually seem to rank DS9 as the best, followed by TNG, followed by TOS.
In my view DS9 is by far the best, followed by TOS which is also excellent. IMO TNG, Voyager, and "Enterprise" are all tied for the worst, and not worthwhile shows. I also do not consider "Enterprise" to be a Trek series in the first place since it was not named such for the first two seasons of it's original airing, although most Trek fans now seem to accept the retconning of history with "Enterprise" becoming a Trek series.
I think ENT has won that race in fans eyes a long time ago. But good news ENT fans, if there is ever an Abramsverse series it will replace ENT as the despised failure, just as ENT replaced VOY.
My current (changes at times) prefs are:
ENT and VOY tied for first
DS9
TOS, but it seems unfair to compare it, rather it should be venerated like some wise elder who also smells a bit
TNG
However if I'm on a DS9 kick it bumps into first place. My only constant is that TNG is last, preachy and slow and far too much of my least favorite ever character.
I was a TOS fan during reruns, long before any other incarnations btw.
You have it all wrong, it goes like this...
DS-9/Voy/TNG: All really great in their own way.
TOS:The orignal still holds up, but it is dated.
Ent:Never got into it.
Even bad Trek is better than a lot of the "decent" stuff on t.v. these days.
True!
Totally True, I would only change one part, really bad Trek
(Is there such a thing?) is better than EVERYTHING on day-
time tv. Watching daytime tv I fell like Capt Braxton when he was trapped for 30 years in the late 20th cent...after a
few days watching this "entertainment" I would probably look like he did in "Futures Past" pt 1, when Janeway and Chokaty found him on the streets of LA...
There is a rather popular comic artist on deviantArt that has a comic, and a couple days ago he made a comic about things he personally liked that weren't generally considered "good." One of the panels mentioned VOY.
VOY fans came pouring out of the woodwork on his comment section. Keep in mind this is a rather bustling, busy site.
When it comes to all the Treks, VOY definitely gets a lot of crap, even with ENT kind of being the new whipping boy these days. But there are a lot of closet fans out there. They just don't post around places like this. It's hardly TNG or TOS popular, of course, but there's more of them lurking around out there than you may think.
I think saying "all Trekkies" generally think one way or another a about certain show is a bad idea.
VOY fans came pouring out of the woodwork on his comment section. Keep in mind this is a rather bustling, busy site.
When it comes to all the Treks, VOY definitely gets a lot of crap, even with ENT kind of being the new whipping boy these days. But there are a lot of closet fans out there. They just don't post around places like this. It's hardly TNG or TOS popular, of course, but there's more of them lurking around out there than you may think.
I think saying "all Trekkies" generally think one way or another a about certain show is a bad idea.
I think that's why a lot of folks in TrekLit were surprised at how many people objected to the new direction the "Voyager" paperbacks were taking. The idea that there were fans of the show who didn't believe it needed to be "fixed" to the point of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" was tough for them to swallow. Some even thought folks were making up duals.
The thing is for years Voyager fans had no reason to post there so they didn't...
That's so true!
That's exactly how I feel about DS9 and TNG.
I don't post there for reasons not related to the books, heh.
No one will call you an idiot here. This is a civilized forum.
I must admit that Voyager's seasons 1-3 are my favorite part of Star Trek. I'm not too fond of seasons 4-7 for several reasons.
If I compare Voyager with TNG, I must admit that TNG was a stronger series in the long run. But if you compare seasons 1-3 of Voyager with TNG, each of those Voyager seasons had less weak episodes than each one of the TNG seasons. I mean, every TNG season had some really terrible episodes, like when Lwaxana Troi or Worf's son Alexander showed up or when Troi got involved in one of her romances with some slimy type (Devinion Ral or Ambassador Alkar) which always ended bad. No offense to Troi, I like the character.
Compare that to Voyager's season 2 when every episode was great, except for "Threshold" which at least was funny here and there.
What Voyager did have was great characters. They were even better than the TNG characters.
As for DS9, due to stupid policy from the TV companies in my neighborhood, I haven't watched all the episodes of that series but of what I've seen, I regard Voyager as better, most due to the Voyager characters.
It's hard to compare Voyager and TOS because TOS was set and took place in another time, both when it comes to production and place in the Star Trek Timeline. I like TOS but I do find Voyager better.
And Voyager is definitely better than "Enterprise".
As for the Voyager books, I simply love the season 1-3 Voyager books. They are great all of them.
As for the so-called "Voyager relaunch", I want nothing to do with it. Constant character destruction is not what I want and I don't like the way the good, old Voyager characters are treated in those books.
They were light years better! Really VOY has always had the greatest characters for me.
Best Characters: VOY
Best Story Arcs: DS9
Best Recurring Special Guest Characters: Tie between ENT and DS9 (see my avatar, lol)
TNG isn't best of anything for me.
I am a huge Voyager fan, and I'll defend it when I feel it is necessary, but the one thing that stood out to me when I started watching Voyager is how weak the cast was. They did improve over time, and there were some amazing characters, but as an overall it was far from the strongest cast.
That said, I like them all, but not many of them could carry an episode on their own. This is why you don't get a lot of Chakotay or Harry episodes, yet plenty of Doctor episodes.
That said, I like them all, but not many of them could carry an episode on their own. This is why you don't get a lot of Chakotay or Harry episodes, yet plenty of Doctor episodes.
It's "bizarro" because some of us do not share your personal opinion?
Well, the majority of people you asked at random would either not know what Star Trek was, or would think it was really silly and unwatchable.
I think there's good stuff and bad stuff in each of the series. I'm watching a lot of Voyager for the first time right now, and even in the bad episodes there's usually something to like.
I think there's good stuff and bad stuff in each of the series. I'm watching a lot of Voyager for the first time right now, and even in the bad episodes there's usually something to like.
