That would have been effing great.
Voyager: The Ending You Would Have Preferred
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That would have been effing great.
I think a fairly big story arc leading up to getting back is what was in order. No time travel gimics that cheapens all the work and effort they put into getting home over the seven years.
The last of these episodes 'Endgame' as such are told in flashbacks from lowly persons POV such as the Equinox, Maquis and/or Good Shepherd deck 15 crew members. They recount the story of how Voyager got home, with them interacting with the big wig characters to Starfleet investigators. That way we know they manage to make it home not whom.
Over the course of the last episode we see who does survive and who dies. And I'm afraid a big name probably does have to die. A moment of sacrifice or heroism that illustrates clearly the dangers and sacrifices made by this crew over the years-
The last of these episodes 'Endgame' as such are told in flashbacks from lowly persons POV such as the Equinox, Maquis and/or Good Shepherd deck 15 crew members. They recount the story of how Voyager got home, with them interacting with the big wig characters to Starfleet investigators. That way we know they manage to make it home not whom.
Over the course of the last episode we see who does survive and who dies. And I'm afraid a big name probably does have to die. A moment of sacrifice or heroism that illustrates clearly the dangers and sacrifices made by this crew over the years-
sooner Janeway went that way than in a book! Means she can be seen as a martyr Starfleet don't need to court-martial her but can get away with brushing it under the rug
Anything would've been better than Endgame. A direct stop in fron to Earth? The REAL Borg would've been all over that puppy.
Preferably, I would've had them return to the Beta Quadrant. There would've been time for adjusting, new aliens, occasional deep space Starfleet vessels/missions, etc. Also I would have stirred up some Maquis trouble. People just don't join a resistance and casually give it up.
P.S. Tachyon -
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Preferably, I would've had them return to the Beta Quadrant. There would've been time for adjusting, new aliens, occasional deep space Starfleet vessels/missions, etc. Also I would have stirred up some Maquis trouble. People just don't join a resistance and casually give it up.
P.S. Tachyon -
YOU ROCK! 
I'd also have been interested in an ending like somebody mentioned in another thread. An ending where we got to see what happened during those additional 16 years that made Admiral Janeway go back in time. That might have been a bit more than 2 episodes, but it sounds good.
While exploring some of this time period would have been interesting, I'm not sure I'd want to see it - we'd have to see the entire C/7 storyline played out, their relationship and wedding (which Janeway would have performed no doubt), Seven's death, then Chakotay's depression and death - no thanks! Maybe, if that was to be explored, a series of short stories a la Distant Shores?
I voted for the first option, because it just ended so abruptly. I'd have loved to have seen, for example, Janeway seeing her mother again, or B'Elanna (and Miral!) meeting Owen Paris, or Tuvok getting his treatment. Just - closure, y'know?
And ship-wise, seeing as J/C wasn't going to happen, I'd have preferred they left it open-ended, if anything. That way everyone could have made up their own minds.
Mad
This is how C/7 could have worked.
At the end of Natural Law, after the C/7 Camping trip, 7 goes to he Doctor for the 24th century equivalent of a morning after pill, and Chakotay calls it quits with Marla Gilmore who had been in a relationship since the Equinox crew joined the Voyager family. Heated, violent furniture throwing. Which would prepare us for the shock of their supposed dalliance in endgame.
Would her Borg parts attack a pregnancy anyway? By "attack" do we mean assimilate or kill? That would be a problem if she actually wanted to have Chakotays babies at some point down the line.
This story has been done a few times. it almost worked in All Good Things with Worf and Deanna... No sorry that was a peter david Novel where Deanna dies and Admiral Riker goes through the guardian of Forever to save her and Commodore Data follows him to make sure she dies to preserve the timeline... Weird, But we all saw the one with Voyager crashing into the ice world and Kim trying to recreate history, but how do we think this endgame story stacks up against Enterprise squared where Tucker meets his 200 year old wife and just about as ancient son? it's the same story again, but I think they did it better on the fourth try, even though it ruined the pace of the broader story in Enterprise at the time.
TPTB were tired and stuck in a rut.
It's our fault for milking a dead cow and expecting more than dust to moisten our corn flakes.
At the end of Natural Law, after the C/7 Camping trip, 7 goes to he Doctor for the 24th century equivalent of a morning after pill, and Chakotay calls it quits with Marla Gilmore who had been in a relationship since the Equinox crew joined the Voyager family. Heated, violent furniture throwing. Which would prepare us for the shock of their supposed dalliance in endgame.
Would her Borg parts attack a pregnancy anyway? By "attack" do we mean assimilate or kill? That would be a problem if she actually wanted to have Chakotays babies at some point down the line.
This story has been done a few times. it almost worked in All Good Things with Worf and Deanna... No sorry that was a peter david Novel where Deanna dies and Admiral Riker goes through the guardian of Forever to save her and Commodore Data follows him to make sure she dies to preserve the timeline... Weird, But we all saw the one with Voyager crashing into the ice world and Kim trying to recreate history, but how do we think this endgame story stacks up against Enterprise squared where Tucker meets his 200 year old wife and just about as ancient son? it's the same story again, but I think they did it better on the fourth try, even though it ruined the pace of the broader story in Enterprise at the time.
TPTB were tired and stuck in a rut.
It's our fault for milking a dead cow and expecting more than dust to moisten our corn flakes.
Not Making To The Alpha Quadrant - Journey Continuing
I prefer this one, but the Endgame ending was okay with me too.
I prefer this one, but the Endgame ending was okay with me too.
Not making it to the Alpha Quadrant - Journey Continuing
That way there can be movies down the track if such are possible.
(Also the Novel relaunch will at least start in the Delta Quadrant, and we will get something better than Homecoming)
That way there can be movies down the track if such are possible.
(Also the Novel relaunch will at least start in the Delta Quadrant, and we will get something better than Homecoming)
Voyager and the Defiant battling side by side. The Sisko and Janeway both kickin' some Jemhadar butt. What's not to love?
Closure would be the least of our problems if they didn't break up a certain couple. Now, I know some ship that couple, but others don't so...I could easily imagine my blood pressure going up if...
Closure would be the least of our problems if they didn't break up a certain couple. Now, I know some ship that couple, but others don't so...I could easily imagine my blood pressure going up if...
Oh, my blood pressure would be least of my problems, if that had happened. I'd be on suicide watch.
Just exaggerating a little, of course.
Voyager and the Defiant battling side by side. The Sisko and Janeway both kickin' some Jemhadar butt. What's not to love?
An interesting enough idea but consider the outrage of ENT fans when who should show up for their series ending but Troi & Riker? It felt like ENT wasn't deemed worthy of it's own ending - no comments on that one please - do so NOT agree!
For all you C/7 and J/Cers out there what was wrong with Chakotay and B'Lanna? She was too much character for Tom Paris (puhleeze!)
Don't like the idea of J/C for two reasons - because that kind of fraternizing weakens the command structure and Janeway is too strong to jeopardize that for her personal feelings and because strong women characters don't have to have a man hanging off thier arm! Not even one as pretty as Chakotay!
Like most, I wasn't pleased with "Endgame." Aside from its numerous other problems, it simply ended everything too abruptly. There was no follow-through with any of the hanging issues. And the VOY relaunch book series didn't help, as everything was too neatly tied up in a bow
So, here are a few options for what I would have preferred to see. I'm probably repeating some stuff others have said, but anyway...
Option 1: They get home. However, I would have liked to see them face some music. What of the Maquis, the Equinox crew, the former Borg, the EMH? And what about a court martial or at least some serious debriefings/hearings for all of Janeway's decisions over the years? Not to mention what about everybody else acclimating back to "home"?
Option 2: They remain in the DQ. They come to realize that home isn't the AQ, but right there with the lives they've created for themselves. They decide to settle in the DQ; to truly establish a New Earth. For the most part, I liked Christopher Bennett's "Places of Exile." So, something similar is fine.
Option 3: Janeway sacrifices herself. Similar to what she tried in the Void in the episode "Night," only this time she's sending the crew/ship all the way home AND she succeeds in doing it. (If she has to go behind everybody's back to accomplish it, she does.) She can either die out-right in a blaze of glory in the DQ as she "covers the ship" escaping or she is stranded alone and has to survive. The elation of being home for everyone else (who would still need to face the music as outlined in Option 1 above), is tempered by knowing Janeway made the ultimate sacrifice for them. Perhaps some of the crew could rejoin in an effort to rescue her, believing she's not dead.
So, here are a few options for what I would have preferred to see. I'm probably repeating some stuff others have said, but anyway...
Option 1: They get home. However, I would have liked to see them face some music. What of the Maquis, the Equinox crew, the former Borg, the EMH? And what about a court martial or at least some serious debriefings/hearings for all of Janeway's decisions over the years? Not to mention what about everybody else acclimating back to "home"?
Option 2: They remain in the DQ. They come to realize that home isn't the AQ, but right there with the lives they've created for themselves. They decide to settle in the DQ; to truly establish a New Earth. For the most part, I liked Christopher Bennett's "Places of Exile." So, something similar is fine.
Option 3: Janeway sacrifices herself. Similar to what she tried in the Void in the episode "Night," only this time she's sending the crew/ship all the way home AND she succeeds in doing it. (If she has to go behind everybody's back to accomplish it, she does.) She can either die out-right in a blaze of glory in the DQ as she "covers the ship" escaping or she is stranded alone and has to survive. The elation of being home for everyone else (who would still need to face the music as outlined in Option 1 above), is tempered by knowing Janeway made the ultimate sacrifice for them. Perhaps some of the crew could rejoin in an effort to rescue her, believing she's not dead.
