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Voyager: The Ending You Would Have Preferred

The ending I would have liked to see is...

  • Making to the Alpha Quadrant before the series finale

    Votes: 39 43.3%
  • The Ending ("Engame") was fine with me.

    Votes: 9 10.0%
  • Not Making To The Alpha Quadrant - Journey Continuing

    Votes: 22 24.4%
  • Not Making To The Alpha Quadrant - Ship destroyed

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Other - Please Specify

    Votes: 15 16.7%

  • Total voters
    90
Since there is a singular written continuity now, they matter until there is a TV series or movie that contradicts them. Pocket Books will ensure that all writers respect the fact that shes dust. Since there will never be a Voyager movie, that will be her officially sanctioned, Paramount approved end :techman:

Nope, just because it's a singular written continuity doesn't make it canon. And even that will be changed.

Brit
 
Ah well....she's dead now anyway. The death of Admiral Janeway at the hands of the Borg in the books is fitting. It was the price for her "endgame" crime finally catching up with her :)

The books don't matter because they're not canon.

Since there is a singular written continuity now, they matter until there is a TV series or movie that contradicts them. Pocket Books will ensure that all writers respect the fact that shes dust. Since there will never be a Voyager movie, that will be her officially sanctioned, Paramount approved end :techman:

Blah, blah, blah - still not canon. The end.

Anyway, let's get back to discussing the ending of the televised (and canon) show per the intent of the OP. Any more gleeful "she dead" remark and you're going to start giving the impression you're here to troll...
 
The irony is that if you go to the lit forum and decry "she lives" it would be regarded as trolling.

Can you imagine an endsong that revolves aorund Naomi walking into her closet which just keeps going until the rear end of it becomes a magic door to Earth that she mistakes briefly for Narnia because it's a book she read recently?
 
The irony is that if you go to the lit forum and decry "she lives" it would be regarded as trolling.

No it wouldn't. It might be regarded as "incorrect" but not trolling.


Anyway, on topic: I liked Endgame just the way it is. Perfect? not at all. Exactly what I would have done were I in charge? nope. But I liked what they did give us well enough.
 
I would've liked to have seen one of two endings, either they get to earth early and have an aftermath with say the second half of the seventh season. Or they reach earth in a theater movie and leave the series open ended.
 
Remember the quantum slipstream technology that they pioneered, but abandoned? It was abandoned because of instabilities that threatened the destruction of the ship, despite the fact that it did accelerate them forward somewhat faster than standard warp drive. As the "Timeless" episode ends, we see the technology dismantled for "future use"... but it never returns.

Well, guess what? There is a realization that the technology CAN work, but that they just can't use it for long periods--cut the engines as the instability begins to mount up before dangerous levels are hit. Janeway reasons that it's time for them to start "puddle jumping" with the technology and try making it back to the Alpha quadrant. But not before running into trouble... a couple of side plots could be authored to deal with contingencies that delay progress (jumps into unexpected situations). Overall the pace is quick... you feel the desperation of them really trying to get home urgently, as if time was running out.

What they don't realize is that the "slipstream" technology ends up introducing a timewarp effect. The Voyager crew have no idea that they have not only traveled forward great distances, but also traveled backward in time. How far back?

As the final slipstream jump ends in the Alpha quadrant, Voyager is now in the volatile region where they first traveled when pursuing the Maquis ship. And suddenly two ships come into view--the Maquis and the original Voyager. The crew is mesmerized by this realization. As the instability begins to increase, Janeway realizes they have to get out of there fast and orders Paris to immediately go to warp. And they do JUST in time as the Caretaker displacement wave hits the two ships. In effect, Voyager witnesses its Delta quadrant voyage beginning. Full circle.

They head to the closest Federation starbase... now 7 years older than they were when they originally departed. Part I of the episode ends... in Part II, it's the "reunion" of the Voyager crew with the Federation. The debriefings. The reunions with family. And the beginnings of the struggle for reintegration (especially for Seven, as her Borg heritage is considered suspicious). And of course, the final formal awards ceremony where we segue to a montage of clips of each character (kind of like a flashback), recapping their wonderous adventures. A summary celebration.
 
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That is pretty cool, Gary7. I like it. They would have had to have done away with the contact with the Alpha Quadrant I suppose, unless Starfleet had to go along with it?
 
That is pretty cool, Gary7. I like it. They would have had to have done away with the contact with the Alpha Quadrant I suppose, unless Starfleet had to go along with it?
I'm glad you like it. :) I didn't quite get what you meant by the contact with the Alpha quadrant. Can you elaborate?
 
They had established regular communications with the Alpha Quadrant in early season seven/late season six IIRC via something invented by Lieutenant Barclay, so for your scenario to have worked they would either have had to nix that, or have had Starfleet going along with it because they know even though the ship came back moments after it left, another version is still out there lost.
 
They had established regular communications with the Alpha Quadrant in early season seven/late season six IIRC via something invented by Lieutenant Barclay, so for your scenario to have worked they would either have had to nix that, or have had Starfleet going along with it because they know even though the ship came back moments after it left, another version is still out there lost.
Ah, I see what you mean now. I'd forgotten about the micro wormhole communications technique that Barclay established.

Well, for the last couple of episodes where they start using the slipstream drive as I described, they would find that they've lost contact with Starfleet for some reason. And then the reason is later clear--they slipped back in time before Barclay had made the connection. I think that premise could have worked.
 
season 7, 3rd to last episode, janeway wakes up, cut to her running to astrometrics, "seven...how far are we to the gamma quadrant...the wormhole!!! the wormhole!!!" seven is like "whattt???"

then we see her announcing to the crew that in fact for 7 years theyve been going the wrong way, and in fact..it would have just been a hell of a lot easier if they'd gone to the wormhole in the gamma quadrant, might have taken a decade or two, but it wouldnt have taken 70 years. they could then have jetted through the only stable wormhole in the galaxy, probably still developed slipstream and transwarp, avoided the borg most likely.. and saved about 40 peoples lives.

the next 3 episodes results in the ensuing mutiny as the crew takes janeway prisoner and chakotay sacrifices her to his animal guide, the last episode shows chakotay setting course for the gamma quadrant, and native american music plays out.
cue the movie Star Trek:reservations
 
I voted for getting home earlier - so we could see more of the fallout of their return. But I'd also like to say that I've have made other massive changes to the finale if I could have. I would have skipped the time traveling / future Voyager stuff. It was fun to see Miral grown up, and Captain Harry Kim - and Kate Mulgrew gave an amazing performance (my favorite part of the finale really), but I'd have preferred more in the here and now. Something that spoke to the history of the show. More continuity to older episodes so that it felt more like a payoff. And I'd have dropped that 7/C romance right off. J/C end up engaged on Earth. That's just me though.
 
You know, I'm not sure if anyone really touched on this, but how many of the crew do you suppose would either never take a starship assignment again or just retire or resign from Starfleet entirely after being stranded with little chance of ever going home?

It's kinda like 'Gilligan's Island' - would you ever get on a boat again?
 
You know, I'm not sure if anyone really touched on this, but how many of the crew do you suppose would either never take a starship assignment again or just retire or resign from Starfleet entirely after being stranded with little chance of ever going home?

It's kinda like 'Gilligan's Island' - would you ever get on a boat again?

Well I think some crew members would react that way (certainly), but maybe not as many as we'd expect. It's maybe like soldiers that come back from war, but then choose to go back to the fighting. I think that the crew of Voyager, though forced by circumstances they'd have avoided if given a choice, ended up sharing something very special; something that separates them from anyone who didn't share those 7 years. And the shock of returning to the Federation which has changed so much in their absence, would make many of them long to find something similar to what they had in the Delta Quadrant. I imagine that just living on a planet after so many years on a starship would be quite shocking, no matter how often it had been dreamed of and hoped for in the past. Or I coud be very, very wrong. lol
 
they made a couple TV movies of Gilligans Island set after they were rescued. They said "fuckit, let's have that cruise like we were supposed to." And they got marooned on the same island again, but this time they were found quickly and Mr Howe turned the place into a Holiday resort which then catered to Love Boat scenario adventures.

A coule of them would have to get jobs as Tour Guides in the Voyager musem on condition to keep their room and board.
 
I was trying to not remember those! :p

But that scenario is exactly why I wondered if any of them would ever really head out again. I think neogothboy74 is probably right.

Edit: And Wright. :D
 
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