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Voyager Redone, my version.

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- Kathryn Janeway is the bridge science officer, to fit with her more "scientist" characterization. She’d be played by someone in her early 30s, not a seasoned captain in her 40s. Only recently promoted to the rank of Lt Cmdr and had a transfer to a research outpost approved, she was ready to go after one last mission. She finds herself the defacto Captain after the Captain and XO are killed off. Old friend of Tuvok whom she sees as a Mentor figure; Her replacement as Science Officer (Harry Kim) sees her as his defacto Mentor. Chakotay offers his experience as a Command officer to her as well as his superior access to the Ships Command Systems, whether she will rely on him (possibly too much) or choose her own way will be her arc for S1, as she’ll be contending with hostile but primitive pirates and an area that offers resources and comforts but not easily.

- (this all comes from someone on the Allspark forums) Tuvok…Tim Russ is IMO the best guy to play a Vulcan since Nimoy himself. DS9 proved that Vulcans could be interesting beyond the people who badmouth humans - one episode featured a Vulcan arms dealer and we know they can use their logic to justify nearly everything if need be. So what are the logical limits of a Vulcan secret agent? Remember, Tuvok had infiltrated the Maquis. That was an interesting idea that was dropped too fast, meaning here it would be maintained a bit longer that the Maquis don’t like this guy who (from their eyes) betrayed them and manipulated them.

So in order for a Vulcan to become a deep-cover agent, and a security officer, he would have to have decided at some point in his life that logic basically meant that anything was worth the end result. Thus, he would often propose solutions to problems faced by Voyager, especially those involving encounters with the species of the Wasteland, which might sound shocking to Janeway or the others. Remember, he's not just Starfleet - he's Starfleet Intelligence. I think of him as the sort of person that Sloan would've recruited, had he not wound up stranded in the Delta Quadrant. Spock could be pretty cold, but Tuvok would be worse. This wouldn't exactly endear him to the other crewmembers, Maquis OR Starfleet. But he would still be Janeway’s closest friend (at first) among the crew and her main Fleet advisor. He would try to maintain a secret network of agents in the crew to keep an eye on malcontent Fleeters and Maquis.

He’d be the main opponent to Chakotay, because he’d realize his real mission was to see if Chakotay had “gone native” and truly become a Maquis instead of the plant he was meant to be. Chakotay however would always be one step ahead of him which would serve to be a point of contention and frustration for the Vulcan.

Imagine a far more adversarial and darker take on Spock vs McCoy, with the two as true enemies who also represent two sides (Tuvok’s dark pragmatism vs Chakotay’s more humane approach) and the two fighting over which one the Captain should consider as the Primary Advisor. Eventually as Janeway becomes stronger, this rivalry lessens since with her making her own choices there’s less reason to fight with one another over who gives her advice.
 
^ No. Gone native is a phrase that means simply adopting the culture and opinions of the people around you.
Like here it can also mean somebody infiltrating a group/society for a specific purpose (like a spy an undercover agent or police officer or a scientist sent to study a foreign culture) but finding that they like their new social surroundings and find themselves more and more agreeing with the people they were sent to infiltrate, eventually switching sides. This can happen voluntarily or subconsciously. They, for all intents and purposes become like a native member of the group/society they were meant to investigate.
"Native" in English not only refers to tribal societies but can be used to describe any people who have been born and lived in a place all their lives, generally with a strong association with the local culture. Tourists might, for instance go to a small town in, for example, Japan or Somerset or Alabama to "meet the local natives", meaning the rural population and they are not expecting to meet tribal individuals, but simply the townsfolk.
The involuntary version version of it, where it happens subconsciously without the person in question noticing it until it is too late is also sometimes called "becoming the mask".

In this case specifically it means whether Chakotay had become a Maquis, mind and soul and really embraced their goals and methods or was only using them for a specific goal.

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So in order for a Vulcan to become a deep-cover agent, and a security officer, he would have to have decided at some point in his life that logic basically meant that anything was worth the end result. Thus, he would often propose solutions to problems faced by Voyager, especially those involving encounters with the species of the Wasteland, which might sound shocking to Janeway or the others.
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This wouldn't exactly endear him to the other crewmembers, Maquis OR Starfleet. But he would still be Janeway’s closest friend (at first) among the crew and her main Fleet advisor. He would try to maintain a secret network of agents in the crew to keep an eye on malcontent Fleeters and Maquis.

Oh man I can already see myself hating your version of Tuvok (that's not a criticism, I think the direction you are going in would turn him into a sort of character viewers might be supposed to hate to a certain extend.)

Like I can see myself siding with your version of Chakotay much more, I have to wait for your description of him, but he does sound like a contender for my favorite character.
Characters were you're not sure where their allegiances lie, and who are not sure themselves about that, are always were intriguing to me.

Imagine a far more adversarial and darker take on Spock vs McCoy, with the two as true enemies who also represent two sides (Tuvok’s dark pragmatism vs Chakotay’s more humane approach) and the two fighting over which one the Captain should consider as the Primary Advisor. Eventually as Janeway becomes stronger, this rivalry lessens since with her making her own choices there’s less reason to fight with one another over who gives her advice.
I hope you are not saying that you are trying to implement a homage to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio here. Too great a reliance on homages like that is one of the things that, in my eyes, helped with the decline of Trek.
 
*nods* Like Star Trek. By Voyager/Enterprise it had, in my eyes (now looking back) reached ridiculous levels of homaging.
 
I hope you are not saying that you are trying to implement a homage to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio here. Too great a reliance on homages like that is one of the things that, in my eyes, helped with the decline of Trek.

The idea of the "Power Trio" has been around a lot longer than TOS. And the difference would be that the two guys arguing are the "teachers" to a "student" (before she gets it together and makes it clear SHE'S the one in charge, not them) and they really are enemies (instead of a racist Doctor and a Racist Scientist) who'd be okay killing each other if it came to that.
 
I hope you are not saying that you are trying to implement a homage to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio here. Too great a reliance on homages like that is one of the things that, in my eyes, helped with the decline of Trek.

The idea of the "Power Trio" has been around a lot longer than TOS. And the difference would be that the two guys arguing are the "teachers" to a "student" (before she gets it together and makes it clear SHE'S the one in charge, not them) and they really are enemies (instead of a racist Doctor and a Racist Scientist) who'd be okay killing each other if it came to that.

I don't know, maybe that idea has gotten a little old.
 
The idea of the "Power Trio" has been around a lot longer than TOS. And the difference would be that the two guys arguing are the "teachers" to a "student" (before she gets it together and makes it clear SHE'S the one in charge, not them) and they really are enemies (instead of a racist Doctor and a Racist Scientist) who'd be okay killing each other if it came to that.

I know it has been around longer but everytie somebody describes a ST related relationship as "somewhat like Spock and McCoy" it makes me cringe, because I found nothing endearing or entertaining about the (I agree with your choice of words) racist Doctor and racist scientist ceaslessly insulting each other, especially the "Green Blooded Hobgoblin" comment, wouldn't thhat be somewhat like calling a black person the n-word?. It was really the "imagine a far more adversarial and darker take on Spock vs McCoy" that caused my less enthusiastic reaction.

Your characters seem to have a more interesting relationship setup, so I was worried you wanted to reduce it to Kirk/Spock/McCoy. Rather it reminds me a bit of the shoulder angel/devil concept until Janeway grows out of it.
 
This kind of conflict can't last more than a season or 2 anyways, so when Janeway finally grows into the Real Captain their own conflict will be resolved and a new plot starts up to generate external conflict.
 
This kind of conflict can't last more than a season or 2 anyways, so when Janeway finally grows into the Real Captain their own conflict will be resolved and a new plot starts up to generate external conflict.
Don't you think the people could have been bored by that by then?
 
DS9 had Sisko be in a tense relationship with Odo and Kira for 1 season and after that it was totally resolved with the 3 of them being friends who trusted each other after that. No one cared.

I don't see why in this version of VOY it would have to last more than 1 season, and then just get used to each other.
 
DS9 had Sisko be in a tense relationship with Odo and Kira for 1 season and after that it was totally resolved with the 3 of them being friends who trusted each other after that. No one cared.

I don't see why in this version of VOY it would have to last more than 1 season, and then just get used to each other.

Sisko proved himself to be the alpha dog pretty soon in the series, I'd say by the second episode (or third if you count the pilot as two) it was already established. Whatever happened later was secondary to that.
 
DS9 had Sisko be in a tense relationship with Odo and Kira for 1 season and after that it was totally resolved with the 3 of them being friends who trusted each other after that. No one cared.

I don't see why in this version of VOY it would have to last more than 1 season, and then just get used to each other.

Makes sense, I dislike when ongoing fictional works refuse to resolve conflicts between their characters. It just makes the whole thing stale after a while.
 
DS9 had Sisko be in a tense relationship with Odo and Kira for 1 season and after that it was totally resolved with the 3 of them being friends who trusted each other after that. No one cared.

I don't see why in this version of VOY it would have to last more than 1 season, and then just get used to each other.

Makes sense, I dislike when ongoing fictional works refuse to resolve conflicts between their characters. It just makes the whole thing stale after a while.

I don't know. The best movies are about conflicts that are never resolved. Like Amadeus for example or Apocalypse Now.
 
Movies are single productions that end after 2 hours. That's a bit different from several episodes over years of characters in conflict, much more time to get sick of it.
 
Yeah, Sisko and Kira learned to like each other and trust each other but they didn't change their core beliefs to make each other happy. They remained very different people and learned to work with each other because they mostly had common goals.

When Kira thought an ancient Bajoran prophecy said that the three Cardassian scientists would lead to the destruction of the wormhole, she didn't conform to Federation thinking that the Prophets were just 'Wormhole aliens'. She pleaded with Sisko to cancel the mission.

This is not what happened on Voyager. On Voyager the Maquis crew intellectually conformed to the Federation. They didn't just learn how to get along, they changed their core beliefs.
 
Yeah, Sisko and Kira learned to like each other and trust each other but they didn't change their core beliefs to make each other happy. They remained very different people and learned to work with each other because they mostly had common goals.

When Kira thought an ancient Bajoran prophecy said that the three Cardassian scientists would lead to the destruction of the wormhole, she didn't conform to Federation thinking that the Prophets were just 'Wormhole aliens'. She pleaded with Sisko to cancel the mission.

This is not what happened on Voyager. On Voyager the Maquis crew intellectually conformed to the Federation. They didn't just learn how to get along, they changed their core beliefs.
That's true. They only did a little bit of Maquis thing in season 7 but it felt like a joke.
 
This is not what happened on Voyager. On Voyager the Maquis crew intellectually conformed to the Federation. They didn't just learn how to get along, they changed their core beliefs.

But the problem was that the Maquis were too vaguely defined by VOY's premiere aside from being "Renegades who fight Cardassians". They weren't different enough from the Feds to begin with. Their "Core Beliefs" weren't compromised because they weren't that much removed from the Feds' usual beliefs anyways.
 
This is not what happened on Voyager. On Voyager the Maquis crew intellectually conformed to the Federation. They didn't just learn how to get along, they changed their core beliefs.

But the problem was that the Maquis were too vaguely defined by VOY's premiere aside from being "Renegades who fight Cardassians". They weren't different enough from the Feds to begin with. Their "Core Beliefs" weren't compromised because they weren't that much removed from the Feds' usual beliefs anyways.

BTW, why is the doctor conveniently stupid in Nothing Human? As he said himself, he could have given any appearance at all to his expert program so why does he choose a Cardassian among all people? He knows the maquis crew hate them. It would be like someone going to a Jewish hospital and disguising himself as a Nazi. There are limits to stupidity and the doctor went way beyond them. I don't like it when a major plot element is based on a character becoming a perfect moron.
 
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