Voyager Movie?

[Timewalker]

DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired a actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition.

This is when I started losing interest in DS9. Worf is the character that EATS Star Trek series! Once he joined DS9, it was All About Worf, just like TNG became All About Worf. Thank goodness Voyager was so far from the Federation or Klingon Empire, or they would have found a way to make that series All About Worf. There is exactly ONE scene I enjoyed him in, in DS9: His first meeting with Kira and Dax, when he says, "Nice hat."

Now I'm imagining Janeway being chased through the Starfleet Academy hangar by an awe-wielding Captain Braxton, as cadets flee for their lives...

Whatever Braxton wields against Janeway, I'm sure it wouldn't be awe!

Somebody upthread mentioned the "what happens next?" idea - the story is pointless if nobody is interested in it. The only TNG plotline they totally dropped and never picked up in the series or the movies was the Mysterious Message that was sent at the end of the episode where Starfleet was being taken over by aliens who made their victims want to eat worms. I'm not into eating worms, and the scene where Remick was killed is stomach-turning. But I STILL want to know who that message was sent to, and what it said!

I've no interest whatsoever in the Abrams version of Star Trek. I never saw all of Enterprise. DS9 was a snoozefest, unless the episode was about O'Brien or Bashir. And sadly, Voyager seems to have answered all the "what happens next?" plotlines. Of course that's not to say that I wouldn't love a new adventure with my second-favorite ST series.

 

[Sandoval]

Worf is the character that EATS Star Trek series! Once he joined DS9, it was All About Worf, just like TNG became All About Worf.

TNG was never All About Worf.

If anything it was All About Data/Picard.

 

[Timewalker]

TNG was definitely All About Worf in far too many episodes. However, I will admit that it was also All About Data far too much, as well. Enough so, that I absolutely hate both these characters!

As for anything that was All About Picard... well, I can forgive that, since Picard is the Captain, Patrick Stewart is a damn fine actor, and there are very few Picard-centric episodes I didn't like.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Worf in the first few episodes was practically an extra.

Then they gave him some lines.

Then some stories.

Then some season.

Then after he had killed the host, he looked for new flesh to consume and corrupt tot he point of...

He was only supposed to be there for the first season.

Letters from the fans expanded his position.

Which makes him every bit the interloper that Seven of Nine was.

 

[exodus]

TNG was definitely All About Worf in far too many episodes.

I disagree.
TNG was all about rediscovering/learning about Klingon culture through the eyes of Worf. We never learned who Worf the individual was until DS9.

Using Data allot is understandable. As the script from "Measure of A Man" has Picard point out, Starfleets motto is to explore new life. Data is new life to explore.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That sounds a little dirty.

"Exploring" Data.

 

[Jetfire]

It is a VOY movie...it is bound to be a little dirty even without "exploring" Data.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I am GLAD Data is dead.

There. I said it.

[Worf]
Which makes him every bit the interloper that Seven of Nine was.

Honestly who would you rather look at? It's not even a spitting competition.

 

[Timewalker]

TNG was definitely All About Worf in far too many episodes.

I disagree.
TNG was all about rediscovering/learning about Klingon culture through the eyes of Worf. We never learned who Worf the individual was until DS9.

Using Data allot is understandable. As the script from "Measure of A Man" has Picard point out, Starfleets motto is to explore new life. Data is new life to explore.

Actually, there were several episodes where we learned about "Worf the individual." The problem is that "Worf the individual" was usually "Worf the individual Klingon."

As for Data, Tasha already explored him in the first season.

Honestly who would you rather look at? It's not even a spitting competition.

I'm a straight female, and I would FAR rather look at Seven of Nine than Worf. But the difference is far greater than mere looks - Jeri Ryan can ACT.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I really forget who is a woman here, and who is not.

Imagine a spitting contest between Seven and Worf.

Medals for distance and form?

Ribbons for sound effects and aroma?

Gold stars for texture, and aerodynamics?

And then there's a question of who can fill the bucket first?

That's just a question of dignity.

Seven vs Worf.

Winner takes all. and the loser has to drink the bucket dry.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Worf would win for volume (think slobber, jowls..)

7 would win for accuracy and distance because it would be all about aerodynamics for her. She would be the intelligent spitter.

Worf would also run dry a lot sooner because he would let his passions use up his saliva in an intemperate manner. 7 knows how to conserve her important juices. She can go the distance and still have what it takes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm not so sure about Worf running out.

Klingons almost have an extra everything according to Pulaski, and that probably includes his saliva gland... meanwhile looking at what regular Borg allow to happen to thier skin, I don't think they give a shit about their moisture nor internal juices.

Pulaski looks like some one who chews tobacco.

Then there's the question of the learning curve.

You might say that Seven would eventually be a more intelligent spitter, but frankly I think Worf has a 30 year head start on her as even the most elementary expectorating goes. So she would need some time to train up, and if time was a factor then she wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You make some excellent points Mr. Gardener to which I will add: both of them would be deeply embarrassed by the entire exercise. Uptight, uncomfortable with personal matters, given to stiffness. So another factor would be, how would their inhibitions affect their performance?

I think it depends on what is at stake. Janeway's life? Worf's honor? What would it take to make them throw all hangups to the wind and really have at it? More than bloodwine I'm sure.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Klongon honour makes them do stupid things.

According to a Klingon self help book I read, you know the one, some Klingon in ancient times lost a fight because the other bugger grabbed him by the beard and kneed him in the face.

Only cowards shave.

The longer your beard the braver you are.

Some story similar to that probably explains their teeth.

Fear of tooth decay and plaque is dishonourable cowardice.

Dorns pearly whites inside Worf's mouth from being raised by humans must be a point of contention among "real" Klingons whi mock him to the point that we realize that all the prune juice is about faking gum disease.

But yes, Worf is completely about what everybody else thinks since he killed that kid playing soccer.

Seven on the other hand, given how calmly she reacted to being stripped naked by Q, I would think is content and self actualized enough to laugh at some of the more humorous social morays, you know, compared to genocide which was her bread and butter growing up.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

7: "Expectoration is a bodily function, to do it to excess however would be pointless."

Worf: "I am NOT a spitting man!"

They need motive. Motive and maybe whips.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I would say "kinky", if not for that thing with the Pain sticks on Worfs birthday in 2364, and the fact that Anika had spent 3/4's of her life as a slave, so it's not entirely appropriate.

Locked in a jail cell, their hands tied behind their backs, the release button is out side their celldoor composed of a blazing lattice of of lightning, a heavy enough hoik will probably earn Worf and little Orphan Annie their freedom.

You don't have to have read comics, but the robin hood type-sort of superhero in the Ultimates, had a super power of uncanny spacial awareness that translated into Olympic plus sharpshooting skills, was tied to a rack, tortured and beaten, but his insulate bravado during the deconstruction of his body had all been part of his escape plane, that as soon as the burly buggers holding him at such close quarters had punched him in the face just so, that he'd collected enough teeth under his tongue... He managed to blind a room full of super terrorists just by spitting teeth... And then Hawkeye really went to town.

Spit happens.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Worf: "I am NOT a spitting man!"

This just made me laugh out loud.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Just think, though, how much more special a Voyager movie would be-due to it's rareness-than a series of JJ films set on TOS?

Please God no more Berman and Bragga style Trek. We got a Voyager movie, It was called Nemesis. Think about it.

and yet mulgrew said it wasn't like she was really playing janeway in nemesis, and nemesis is NOT a Voyager film. Think about it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Forget B n' B and their decades of contribution to the Star Trek franchise which everyone hated so much.

Picture this: Benedict Cumberbatch, confirmed role of the villain in ST:XII. Put that man next to Kate Mulgrew, unconfirmed role of Janeway via temporal shenanigans in ST:XII. You have gold there, pure pure gold.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He's future guy, and she's his mother?

Lover would be cool, but if Janeway has a son trying to destroy time, you have to wonder who his father could possibly be?