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Voyager Movie?

Species 8472 as the villain would work well in a Voy movie I think. It could be similar in conception to the ep where the crew discover the recreated Star Fleet training facility complete with the wisdom-spinning groundskeeper and realise they are members of the species learning to infiltrate Star Fleet. Except, in the movie, Species 8472 have actually infiltrated the facility *manacial laughter* and the crew must race against time to defeat them!

Actually, that probably has far too many obvious plot holes :lol:

I wish they had actually used Species 8472 a little more however, as they were a genuinely interesting (and novel) race. Not only did they not look humanoid, they would have actually had a very different perception of the universe than previously encountered species. Imagine being alone, all alone in your nice fluidic space, never dreaming about the possibility of life outside your species and then BAM! BORG!! BORG EVERYWHERE!!
 
Some years ago I often suggested a movie with characters from TNG, DS9 and Voyager involved but I'm afraid that it's to o late for that now. My first suggestion for such a movie would have included characters from all series teaming up to face a military government which had gained power over the Federation. However, many fans thought it would be a violation of all that Star Trek stands for, showing people striving for power and military coups still were existing among humans in the 24th century.
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Hummmmmm.. yet in the Voyager relaunch novels they had the Admiralty relentlessly persecuting, torturing and almost killing Seven and Icheb (and the Doctor but they didn't see him as sentient) and generally behaving like the worst sort of military governent, turning on the rest of the crew too. Yes they thought they were behind the Borg threat, but they didn't get a fair trial, they were tortured instead.

So fans didn't want a film about humans acting in an uncivilised way. Are we supposed to accept it in a book since it's not 'Canon'? I wasn't around in the fandom at the time of the relaunch, I'd be interested to hear what the reaction was.
 
If anything I thought the way DS9 ended that we would have gotten a Ds9 film.

I think TPTB did the fans of TNG/DS9/VOY & even ENT dirty by doing the latest movie(I still haven't seen) It is almost like those shows don't matter and for what...money???

:rolleyes:

:guffaw:

You do realize that money is the driving force behind pretty much every Hollywood production?

Falling television ratings and poor box office take on Insurrection and Nemesis killed any hope of big screen treatments for the spin-offs of the spin-off.
 
Species 8472 as the villain would work well in a Voy movie I think. It could be similar in conception to the ep where the crew discover the recreated Star Fleet training facility complete with the wisdom-spinning groundskeeper and realise they are members of the species learning to infiltrate Star Fleet. Except, in the movie, Species 8472 have actually infiltrated the facility *manacial laughter* and the crew must race against time to defeat them!

Actually, that probably has far too many obvious plot holes :lol:

I wish they had actually used Species 8472 a little more however, as they were a genuinely interesting (and novel) race. Not only did they not look humanoid, they would have actually had a very different perception of the universe than previously encountered species. Imagine being alone, all alone in your nice fluidic space, never dreaming about the possibility of life outside your species and then BAM! BORG!! BORG EVERYWHERE!!
I agree, I think if the cast would come back at the chance of a film. A film featuring Species 8472 would be freakin' awesome!!!!


We never did make peace with them in "In the Flesh", the answer was left up in the air. For all we know, they decieved us. ;)


....and with Janeway cripping the Borg. It's open season!!


Somebody call Paramount, I think we got ourselves a MOVIE!!! :drool::rommie:
 
What I fail to understand is, why were not one of the novels for example transferred on-screen?

A Voyager movie could have taken place during their time in the Delta Quadrant for example.
Imagine, 'Battle Lines' novel or 'String Theory' on the screen.
That would have been great in my personal opinion because the novels really managed to flesh everything out in an intelligent and detailed way.

I'm sure a movie that incorporates TNG/DS9/VOY could have been made in a very good way.
Sort of like making a 3 part novel into 3 movies for example.
Each move though would be good to last at least 2 hours or more.
1 and a half hours doesn't really seem long enough to input all the necessary things.
 
They sure could have needed a better ending, i thougt it to be quite embarassing. But then they have nowhere to start, the ship is home and the crew is safe and sound. The only possibility would be to summon the crew for one last mission.

And by the way, wasn't Endgame extremly similar to another episode, where Kim sent instructions back in time? Can't remember the name, though.
 
(Just as a side note, I think we're nit-picking too much. It sounded like this was supposed to be about what we would have wanted, or expected, to see in a Star Trek: Voyager movie, not what was or is now possible.)

Personally, I would have loved to see how everyone ended up after Voyager returned, (along with a huge main story involving Species 8472 and the Borg of course, both of which ended fairly unresolved).

And I don't just mean what happened to the crew's romantic pairings and with family left behind, but how does each person, individually, deal with being back in the Alpha Quadrant after seven years of being on Voyager. After all, the crew learned to view Voyager as home, to view their fellow crewmembers as close family, and to live a life of constant movement, change, and of loss and gain. What would it have been like to come home, to the place they've dreamed of for seven years, only to realize their home has changed, and they have actually been home for years?

That, plus a Borg/Species 8472 clash that caused the Voyager family to come together again for one last explosive battle, would have been brilliant.
 
If anything I thought the way DS9 ended that we would have gotten a Ds9 film.

I think TPTB did the fans of TNG/DS9/VOY & even ENT dirty by doing the latest movie(I still haven't seen) It is almost like those shows don't matter and for what...money???

:rolleyes:

:guffaw:

You do realize that money is the driving force behind pretty much every Hollywood production?

Falling television ratings and poor box office take on Insurrection and Nemesis killed any hope of big screen treatments for the spin-offs of the spin-off.

No I am a stupid, I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

INS & NEM were bad movies IMHO. That doesn't mean a movie from VOY timeline would be a failure.
NEM Cost $60 Million to make & made $67,312,826...it's bad but not enough in my view to just abandon everything and start from scratch. I also think Hollywood gives up on things that mean something to fans(who make them $$$ anyway) too easy just to turn a profit.
 
wasn't Endgame extremly similar to another episode, where Kim sent instructions back in time?

You are trying to remember "Timeless", the ep where Chakotay and Kim got home and Voyager was pancaked ito a glacier on a world on the border of the Alpha Quadrant. I don't think the two were "similar" other than future versions of Voyager crew saving past versions, and thereby changing the timeline.

As for your suggest that there is "nowhere to start" a Voy movie, one could always answer a question left hanging from a past Voy ep, (like what happened to 8472, or the BORG remenant) or simply tell us what happened to our intrepid crew after everyone got home.

I think one of the problems I had when I got back into the Star Trek Novels this past year (To confirm the HORROR of SOMEONE's death in TNG's "Before Dishonour") was the fact that everything was occuring only a couple years after Voy returned. Excuse me? Voyager ended nearly 9 years ago and TNG ended 16 years ago so why the fudged timeline? Oh, right. We can't age Picard. He has to stay on as Captain of the Enterprise and virile enough to have a child with a woman who's 1st son should be 37 by "now".

The thing I LIKED about TOS movies, was the obvious passage of time that was seen. Relationships that were new, like Spock and Saavik, and promotions that were long overdue, like Sulu's Captaincy of the USS Excelsior. Heck, I even liked it when Bones gave the Admiral pair of glasses because Kirk was allergic to the usual 23rd century medical cure for aging eyes. In fact, I fear it was the LACK of change that made me dislike many of the TNG movies. Come on... how long was Riker going to pass up promotions for his own command, and how long was Deanna going to wait for the big lug?

Voyager has great potential for a movie/miniseries "now" to show us what has happened in the 8-9-10 years since they returned. The crew has been apart longer than they were together in the Delta Quadrant. Does Seven have little Borglets running around, and are they having play dates with Tom and B'Elanna's brood? Did the Maquis Captain ever get a Starfleet command? Did the Doc EVER come up with a freaking name???? Did Tom give up Starfleet and become a holoprogram designer, or at least front for the Doc's programs so no-one else would try to rip off a poor defenseless hologram?

Were Harry's parents still alive by the time he got home? Was Janeway's Mother still alive, and did her sister Phoebe ever forgive her for getting herself lost in the Delta Quadrant in the first place?

What happened to B'Elanna's inferiority complex about being half Klingon when she returned home to meet her father, and what did she do to make sure her child/children didn't suffer the same fate? Did she lose contact with Janeway, Chakotay, Harry, the Doc and Seven after they returned home, only to see and be seen at the reunions Starfleet held every 5 or 10 years for the heroic ship? Did they really make it a museum on the Presidio, or put it back into service with a new Captain and crew?

Oh... there's a LOT of things to reveal in a new Voyager Movie, and one would hope the lack of success with "most" TNG movies and the recent success with the reboot of Kirk et al (can't call them TOS) would encourage TPTB at Paramount to review their track record and rethink their strategy. They (Paramount) now have "The Best of Both Worlds"... they can have a rebooted STAR TREK on the big screen, and continue the stories of DS9 and VOY on the small screen via miniseries extravaganzas.

IMHO

Would they only listen.
 
How about a return of the Krenim and their time altering ship that causes future Janeway's shortcut home to be undone somehow and several other events turning out differently, such as Species 8472 having actually defeated the Borg and laying waste to the galaxy, including Earth.

I love the idea of a Voyager movie but am sick to death of time travel in Trek in general. That being said I think the Vaadwaur are villain that could make a fascinating comeback. :)

Agreed. They were too angry NOT to attempt a comeback after Voyager.
 
Considering what time and gravity did to Liza Minelli after she sang about how money made the world go around, I'm not sure if it was time or gravity trying to smite her more for stealing their thunder.

It is about money.

I jst watched all 7 episodes of far actress today, and I laughed my ass off when the Martian Manhunter from Smallville said that Kirsty Alley was a fine ass Vulcan in Star Trek... But you just needed some one who was [swingers]money[/swingers] to get behind the project... Some one with power hwo could float such a dead ass of a project.

That person was not Kirsty Ally.

Possibly Steven Segal?
 
I think TPTB did the fans of TNG/DS9/VOY & even ENT dirty by doing the latest movie(I still haven't seen) It is almost like those shows don't matter and for what...money???

:rolleyes:

:guffaw:

You do realize that money is the driving force behind pretty much every Hollywood production?

Falling television ratings and poor box office take on Insurrection and Nemesis killed any hope of big screen treatments for the spin-offs of the spin-off.

No I am a stupid, I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

INS & NEM were bad movies IMHO. That doesn't mean a movie from VOY timeline would be a failure.
NEM Cost $60 Million to make & made $67,312,826...it's bad but not enough in my view to just abandon everything and start from scratch. I also think Hollywood gives up on things that mean something to fans(who make them $$$ anyway) too easy just to turn a profit.

If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.
 
:guffaw:

You do realize that money is the driving force behind pretty much every Hollywood production?

Falling television ratings and poor box office take on Insurrection and Nemesis killed any hope of big screen treatments for the spin-offs of the spin-off.

No I am a stupid, I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

INS & NEM were bad movies IMHO. That doesn't mean a movie from VOY timeline would be a failure.
NEM Cost $60 Million to make & made $67,312,826...it's bad but not enough in my view to just abandon everything and start from scratch. I also think Hollywood gives up on things that mean something to fans(who make them $$$ anyway) too easy just to turn a profit.

If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.
Exactly right and spot on. :techman:
 
If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.

Because the masses want to stay stuck in the past doesn't mean Paramount can't explore current Trek more...even if the demand is small. Leaving VOY in TV history is a slap in the face to the fans that helped keep it going...if it wasn't for the fans TOS would be relegated to TV history.
I am not saying that movie studios need to make money...the way they go about it is just horrible...even if a big screen VOY movie never happens a TV movie or mini-series as others suggested would be fine.

A VOY movie has lots of options considering their time of being in the Delta Quadrant as many posters have pointed out.
 
If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.

Because the masses want to stay stuck in the past doesn't mean Paramount can't explore current Trek more...even if the demand is small. Leaving VOY in TV history is a slap in the face to the fans that helped keep it going...if it wasn't for the fans TOS would be relegated to TV history.
I am not saying that movie studios need to make money...the way they go about it is just horrible...even if a big screen VOY movie never happens a TV movie or mini-series as others suggested would be fine.

A VOY movie has lots of options considering their time of being in the Delta Quadrant as many posters have pointed out.
That's bad business.

Paramount isn't going to invest money into a project that the masses won't tune in for. There were barely enough fans keeping Voyager going as it was. After an finale like "Endgame" , you'd be lucky if you could get 30 people to tune in for a Voyager movie.

It's simple supply and demand.
 
"My only failing, was believing in George Clooney."

Most movies are shit and shouldn't have been made.

In the inevitable and unstoppable future, reason will prevail and human beings will just watch the Sound of Music over and over again.
 
If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.

Because the masses want to stay stuck in the past doesn't mean Paramount can't explore current Trek more...even if the demand is small. Leaving VOY in TV history is a slap in the face to the fans that helped keep it going...if it wasn't for the fans TOS would be relegated to TV history.
I am not saying that movie studios need to make money...the way they go about it is just horrible...even if a big screen VOY movie never happens a TV movie or mini-series as others suggested would be fine.

A VOY movie has lots of options considering their time of being in the Delta Quadrant as many posters have pointed out.

The truth: So few people care that any project green-lit by Paramount featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise would have a budget smaller than a Sci-Fi original movie. And I think that making a movie under those conditions would be a huge slap in the face to those who remember the series fondly. Be happy that you got seven seasons of a show that you love... and let it rest in peace.
 
If you go by the formula that a film needs to make between 1.5 - 2 times the production budget before it turns a profit for the studio, then Nemesis lost between 25 and 50 million dollars (I'm sure it made up some of that deficit with a TV run and DVD sales).

Paramount was desperate to put TOS out to pasture in the mid-90's. Unfortunately, once TNG went off the air the masses quit caring about Modern Trek. Which killed any hope of major productions featuring DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. Nostalgia will probably lead to a rebooted (action-oriented), recast (everyone hot and in their mid-20's) TNG somewhere down the line... but the rest are relegated to TV history.

Because the masses want to stay stuck in the past doesn't mean Paramount can't explore current Trek more...even if the demand is small. Leaving VOY in TV history is a slap in the face to the fans that helped keep it going...if it wasn't for the fans TOS would be relegated to TV history.
I am not saying that movie studios need to make money...the way they go about it is just horrible...even if a big screen VOY movie never happens a TV movie or mini-series as others suggested would be fine.

A VOY movie has lots of options considering their time of being in the Delta Quadrant as many posters have pointed out.

By the by...

Both Full Circle and Unworthy by Kirsten Beyer are great books. But they do mix new characters with some of the older ones...
 
I know I'm tooting my own horn, but I thought a little more about a Steven Segal Voyager movie... Would they call it Under Siege: Voyager or Voyager: Under Siege?

The great great great great great great grand son of Casey Ryback is assigned to the recently returned spacedocked USS Voyager as it's cook, and though a funny turn of events he is left almost single handedly to defend the ship against terrorists and saboteurs.

Actually...

That's also the plot of Home Alone: Voyager or Voyager: Home Alone, if you change the names of the characters.

Spooky.

After Kings, which was fabulous, I blinked at one point, did he screw his aunt who was Voyager's Borg Queen(?), I think I'd go for Culkin over Segal.
 
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