Voyager is superior, it just is..

[Voth commando1]

Rebel Maquis absorbed into Starfleet crew with little more than a 'She's the boss' from Chak ?

Raw materials shortages while they have replicators and enough power to run recreational holodecks ?

Severe damage regularly disappeared by next episode ?

A LOT of spare shuttles and infinite torpedoes ?

Lack of recurring background cast (on a pretty small ship too).

Much of this could have been addressed and dealt with relatively easily, or treated in a more rational way without destroying the TOS stand alone 'planet of the week' ethos of the show.

That they didn't really bother or only paid lip service to doing so says a fair bit about the show.

Janeway smooth talked Chakotay into keeping his people in line.

They traded for dilithium and the holodecks were often used for simulations I doubt Paris's pool scenario was on every night.

You do understand its the 24th century and that materials science has advanced don't you. It's not hard for them to have the Specs for torpedoes/shuttles and use spare or traded materials to construct them.

 

[Relayer1]

It's not hard for them to have the Specs for torpedoes/shuttles and use spare or traded materials to construct them.

Absolutely.

So why wasn't it ever mentioned ?

 

[Prax]

Rebel Maquis absorbed into Starfleet crew with little more than a 'She's the boss' from Chak ?

I just gave all the examples, especially from the first two seasons. You seem to have ignored it, and/or just haven't seen the show in a long while.

Raw materials shortages while they have replicators and enough power to run recreational holodecks ?

Isn't replicators a constant issue throughout the series? Wasn't Voyager the show that introduced "replicator rations?" In the first episode after Caretaker-Parallax, they make mention of what they are going to do to the ship to use energy better, produce their own fuels, etc. The Holodecks are explicitly mentioned. I'll let you go watch the episode since I'm sure it's been a while.

Severe damage regularly disappeared by next episode ?

This is commonly said about Voyager, but people on the BBS who make this claim have so far only been able to come up with one example. This is particularly what I mean by "myths." It comes from hyperbole and generalizations. And it ignores the other series. I'll give a counter example: In Ds9, remember when Sisko teamed up with the Jem Hadar and they found Iconian portals and what not? Yeah, well these rogue JH attack DS9 in the beginning of the episode. They destroy an ENTIRE UPPER PYLON. The next week, it's back. Its never mentioned how/when it was fixed, let alone where they got the materials.

A LOT of spare shuttles and infinite torpedoes ?

Oddly enough, the writers kept a torpedo count until season 5 when they ran out. It was no longer feasible. And by that point, there's no reason why we would need an explanation for them buying, or building more. They lost about ten shuttles confirmed. What about DS9 losing runabouts and just giving the replacements the same name? Mind you with no mention of getting new runabouts. At least with the Defiant, There's some dialogue to explain away production issues. Even though it's super contrived.

Much of this could have been addressed and dealt with relatively easily, or treated in a more rational way without destroying the TOS stand alone 'planet of the week' ethos of the show.

Much of it is...

Much of it doesn't need to be...

Much of this is beholden to a double standard that you may not be willing to appraise the other series with.

 

[The Wormhole]

What about DS9 losing runabouts and just giving the replacements the same name?

That never happened. In fact I remember an episode where Kira informs Sisko the new runabouts had arrived and asks him what they'll name them. He tells her the names, after which she adds "at the rate we go through runabouts, it's a good thing Earth has plenty of rivers to name them after."

 

[fireproof78]

J
You do understand its the 24th century and that materials science has advanced don't you. It's not hard for them to have the Specs for torpedoes/shuttles and use spare or traded materials to construct them.

Which is why photon torpedoes and bio-neural gel packs were specifically mentioned as to be irreplaceable?

This is commonly said about Voyager, but people on the BBS who make this claim have so far only been able to come up with one example. This is particularly what I mean by "myths." It comes from hyperbole and generalizations. And it ignores the other series. I'll give a counter example: In Ds9, remember when Sisko teamed up with the Jem Hadar and they found Iconian portals and what not? Yeah, well these rogue JH attack DS9 in the beginning of the episode. They destroy an ENTIRE UPPER PYLON. The next week, it's back. Its never mentioned how/when it was fixed, let alone where they got the materials.

I would expect an industrial level replicator (mentioned in DS9 being on Bajor) to be available to reproduce the materials they need. I would not expect that on a science vessel on a short term mission.

Oddly enough, the writers kept a torpedo count until season 5 when they ran out. It was no longer feasible. And by that point, there's no reason why we would need an explanation for them buying, or building more. They lost about ten shuttles confirmed. What about DS9 losing runabouts and just giving the replacements the same name? Mind you with no mention of getting new runabouts. At least with the Defiant, There's some dialogue to explain away production issues. Even though it's super contrived.

Much of it is...

Much of it doesn't need to be...

Much of this is beholden to a double standard that you may not be willing to appraise the other series with.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Well, Teacake, it is April Fools Day, after all.

 

[Refuge]

Careful that's not a popular opinion on large parts of this board.

Anyway let me wax poetical-Nostalgia seems to be the dominant zeitgeist of the age because of a few reasons-an aging population, a youth culture that is immensely cynical and has high standards, a general disillusionment with forward movement, increased political polarization, Hollywood drawing from the bottom of the barrel, the utter bankruptcy of politics and popular culture-in every possible moral sense, the inability for other institutions-churches, unions, schools to handle the vast swirling clouds and shifts-I hate saying the word change in this context it's both elitist and offensive. The fact that things aren't getting better, culture is a bucket of filth, and everybody preaches doom and defeat-the left-total atomization of society and environmental catastrophe, as well as the total destruction of the unions and emasculation of left wing movements and thoughts, the right-total collapse of morals, mass invasion by Islamic hordes and teeming third world masses, combined with a moral climate likened unto Sodom and the court of the Caesars.

With doom, division, fear, confusion, and pain on nearly everyone's minds people for the past-sometimes a real past and sometimes an imagined one.

What ills bode us in the twilight of our civilization God Help us all.

There are some well thought out assessments there, and a couple of all encompassing ones that may be felt even if they are not quite so final.

Escapism is what it is about and escaping into a version of Star Trek that seems to need its identity to be linked to the Original, that is what I'm getting. The past is the future for Star Trek stories. Personally I like to imagine a future that doesn't lead to technology I've apparently already seen in other Star Treks. Thus far Voyager is our upper limit.

 

[Voth commando1]

Absolutely.

So why wasn't it ever mentioned ?

Why don't they mention every time a crewmember uses the restroom or is five minutes late to his duty shift. Why don't they mention Janeway's governess adventures or Seven's scathing critiques of human inefficiency in her log every time people aren't up to speed-it happens off screen.

There is this wonderful concept called imagination.

 

[fireproof78]

Why don't they mention every time a crewmember uses the restroom or is five minutes late to his duty shift. Why don't they mention Janeway's governess adventures or Seven's scathing critiques of human inefficiency in her log every time people aren't up to speed-it happens off screen.

There is this wonderful concept called imagination.

If it is critical to the reliability of the premise and the world, I shouldn't have to imagine it.

Going to the bathroom isn't.

 

[Refuge]

You guys just so underestimate Voyagers superior replicators.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

They are the BEST replicators, the absolute best. Better than everyone elses. The best.

 

[Refuge]

I want one.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OMG YES

 

[Refuge]

I want my very own replicator and a holo deck, that isn't too much to ask in my opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

You guys just so underestimate Voyagers superior replicators.

 

[Gary7]

Why does the Voth matriarch from "Distant Origin" remind me of climate change deniers? Voyager sure is stocked with plenty of prophesy relevant to our time.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Don't forget Seaworld in 31 Days

 

[fireproof78]

Why does the Voth matriarch from "Distant Origin" remind me of climate change deniers? Voyager sure is stocked with plenty of prophesy relevant to our time.

If someone starts a company called Chronowerx then I'll be interested

 

[Refuge]

Which of the Star Trek Captains achieved the highest rank? Kirk or Janeway?

 

[Ghost]

I don't know if this topic is an elaborate April fool's joke or serious but I would like to respond on it.

I wouldn't call Voyager the best of Star Trek as it has quite some flaws, most of them already mentioned here by other posters so I am not going to bother to write them up again.
One I felt that should be added is that alien species, especially those with morals/values and ideologies different to the Voyager crew/Starfleet in general often got "humanized". I don't know if this was done to make them more relatable or understandable for the public.

Though I find Voyager easier to watch than The Next Generation which even more shows more its age I still find it very difficult to recommend this series to any people new to Star Trek if they are interested in getting deeper into the universe. For all the good episodes there are so many bad or average ones.
It could really do with an "essentials" list of episodes but the same probably also goes for all the other series.

It is a bit difficult to say which is the best series, the Original Series is probably still the best introduction for any potential new Star Trek fans even the effects, design, and some of the content/dialogue shows its age, but after that it would probably be a combination of TNG, DSN, and Voyager that would represent the best of Star Trek (and perhaps Season 4 of Enterprise though it is somewhat fan fiction-ish sometimes)

I do think the Star Trek franchise could do with a new series that continues on the 24th Century series rather than doing series yet again in the past or reboots, but with what premise? And what type of story telling?

Personally most of my interest in Star Trek comes from its spin off products these days such as the New Visions series.
I don't care for the new movies and the more I hear about Discovery the less interested I become in it.