Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Dec 29, 2017.
Serveaux is right.
"Javid Iqbal" has exactly one acting credit to his name. And that's Voq on Star Trek: Discovery.
I have more acting credits than "Javid Iqbal" does (among other credits). Me, of all people. Granted, they're all in independent films, but still...
I highly, highly, highly doubt that Star Trek: Discovery would cast a first-time actor with no previous acting credentials whatsoever. What's he done before? And he would've had to have done stuff before to get into SAG and I'm assuming the role of Voq and any other speaking role in DSC would be SAG. And even if he paid a substantial amount of money upfront to become SAG, he still would've had to have had some previous acting credentials to land the part unless he was just that good and I don't think he is.
"Javid Iqbal" is an alias for Shazad Latif. And Shazad Latif has plenty of credentials.
Which is why we're here speculating about whether or not Ash is Voq. So I, among several other people, will either be right or we'll all have egg on our face. But that's what goes with the territory of posting about theories.
Would there be some sort of union reason why they wouldn't be able to credit Shazad as both characters if it isn't a story reason?
I'm not entirely sure, I'm not SAG (and don't want to be at this point), though I should learn more about it anyway, but I think they're trying to throw people off so someone would be able to (theoretically) say, "See? It's not the same actor!"
Latif has been credited in the opening credits of every episode, Tyler or Voq or neither ("Context is for Kings"). I take the final credit for Voq as an equivalent to the joke credits in the Naked Gun movies. He's already properly credited for his role, per Union rules, the other credit is just to mess with the fans.
In my belief, at least.
They created a new Ash Tyler in the replicator, adding in parts of Voq, the same way they replicate puppies on the Enterprise D.
The flashbacks are memories of Voq's strange fetishes.
So, anyway, in the words of Rupert Holmes...
If you like pina coladas
And gettin' caught in the rain
If you're not into yoga
If you have half a brain
If you like making love at midnight
In the dunes on the cape
Read more: Rupert Holmes - Escape (the Pina Colada Song). Lyrics | MetroLyrics
So I was wrong that it was just a gimmick. Voq is in Ash. And it's both mind download and surgical alterations.
And it's cute how Culber's excuse actually makes worlds of sense. Yes, they did scan Tyler at arrival. Yes, they did notice all the changes. Yes, they had a good reason to think those meant nothing. And heck, they even did the "Manchurian test" to find any hidden programming, but somehow "reverse Manchurian" is not revealed by such testing.
Most of the episode is one big infodump. But this dumplet enjoyably continues the tradition of the show carefully addressing issues raised by previous episodes, sometimes better, sometimes worse. The bits about the ethics of Culber treating Stamets fall in the same category of things finally clarified...
I dont know why they just didnt use the klingon augment virus on him. Ash could pass for an augment klingon circa 2260s if he had a goatee beard. They could have plucked one of the millions of klingons who suffer from this affliction from the empire and had them be an Arne davrin. Although it seems augmented klingons dont exist in either the burnhamverse or the kelvinverse....
The Augment-lite Klingons of ENT were internally trivially recognizable as Klingons: the heroes could immediately point this out with their primitive machinery even without the help of Phlox.
This literal "hack job" they did on Voq seems to have worked much, much better, turning a Klingon into what looks like a maimed human to a trained human doctor. Heck, not even a tribble can recognize Voq from beneath Tyler! (Assuming the thing on Lorca's desk is even alive, that is.)
For all we know, Darvin was indeed an Augment-lite, as McCoy could tell he was internally Klingon. But then we'd have to rationalize why McCoy doesn't know about Augment-lites. Now we can say he's an expert who recognizes simple plastic surgery when he sees it, and can rule out the use of the Augment virus and its antidote.
Because the "Augment Virus" explanation for the smooth-headed Klingons is an incredibly stupid way of explaining their appearance in TOS and we are all better off moving away from that explanation if at all possible.
You’ve answered your own question. Augmented Klingons don't exist in the Discoverse (and Kelvinverse). If they did "Klingon purity champion" T'Kuvma would have written a 20-page speech about them.
He definitely would've. Though, judging by his acceptance of Voq, he might've gone the route of "Klingon in your heart" because they didn't choose to be infected.
But, this is the impression I'm getting: If DSC runs 10 seasons (I don't think it will but humor me) that would take us straight into TOS and -- though I could be wrong -- I doubt we'd see Smooth Heads.
So, I'm leaning very heavily towards agreeing with you.
DSC is in the Prime Timeline, there is no 'Discoverse'.
My life is the Discoverse!
The Discoverse exists before the shatnerverse and after the archerverse.
I can vouch for it. Those of us who were born in the '70s are from the Discoverse.
The more likely is everyone is going to pretend that Enterpise two-part never happened.
...Even though DSC now has gone out of its way to establish it did?
So far, Star Trek has never "tried to pretend something didn't happened". Old episodes either are referred to as being part of the in-universe history, or then are left unmentioned. Oh, there may be contradictions, but then there are contradictions to those contradictions to cancel it all out... Never has a Trek writer tried to actively claim that something aired in the name of Trek didn't actually happen.
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