Spoilers Voq Theory (graphic/violent)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I think the biggest argument against Voq being mind-swapped into a random Human body is that it makes having the same actor play both of them pretty pointless, especially since it's what gave away the whole game.

    What "if"? It happened at least twice in TOS with Darvin and Kirk going Romulan, and all the time in the TNG-era, at all levels of sophistication. Not just big-deal powers like the Federation, Romulans, and Cardassians, but even the random planet-of-the-week that planted the undercover agent Odo fell for into the Orion Syndicate could do it. If anything, all the saws and stuff in Ash's nightmare seem to show DSC's retcon is making it so changing your species from one brand of humanoid to another isn't as low-impact as getting a haircut.
     
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  2. Serveaux

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    They haven't simply cosmetically changed Tyler from one species into another or "cloaked" his alien vitals. He's an apparent duplicate of a once-living individual, with that person's memories and all of his identifying characteristics, researched by the paranoid captain of the ship. If you want to take this thing seriously at all you've got to accept that a returning prisoner of war would have been subjected to every kind of detailed physical and other medical test and examination before being returned to duty.

    Or, you know, Lorca is incredibly dumb and no one has noticed that either.

    Otherwise, it's just same old same old Trek Stupid that fans are supposed to swallow because Star Trek.

    All of which is pretty trivial, I guess, next to the fact that if Tyler is Voq then the show's managers have bungled that twist more incompetently than any producers in memory - people figured it out over at Reddit and started spreading the word before Tyler even appeared on the show. :lol:
     
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  3. rahullak

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    Or encouraging this line of thinking and discussion is just CBS' way of keeping the interest alive in DSC and there's actually nothing more to it. Tyler is Tyler. Voq is gone or will appear later.

    For the purposes of this thread, yeah, i think it's unlikely that the gruesome reconstructive surgery happened. If at all Tyler is to be considered as being also Voq, the mind-download has a better chance of being accepted easily.
     
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  4. Serveaux

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    This would actually be less stupid on the producers' part.
     
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  5. Crazy Eddie

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    Exactly this. It's the only way it could really work. For Voq to pass for human the way he does, he would have had to spend YEARS studying human customs and behavior and practiced imitating it with actual humans. Even L'Rell doesn't speak perfect English without an accent, but Ash sounds like he really could be from right outside Seattle. If he really is Voq, it's because a real person named Ash Tyler is in there somewhere as well.

    But at this point, I don't think Ash is Voq. I think there's something else going on, and Ash is a part of it, and it's more complicated (and maybe a bit weirder) than any of us are thinking.
     
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  6. Orac

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    David Warner played a human in Star Trek 5 and a Klingon in Star Trek 6, were they also the same person?
     
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  7. David cgc

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    So, you think Javid Iqbal is an alias for Shazad Latif, but he's playing two totally unrelated characters? In the same season, of the same show? That's a novel take on the theory.

    Jeffery Combs as Brunt and Weyoun would be a better precedent, though.
     
  8. yenny

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    I myself don't think Vog and Ash Tyler is the same person. I do think that the people on the planet he was sent to, will change him. What they'll change him into?, don't know, could be Gorkon.
     
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  9. Tuskin38

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    Even if Tyler isn't Voq, who is playing Voq? Why have we never seen him in interviews?
     
  10. Crazy Eddie

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    He's still one of my favorite Star Trek actors. You can practically hear Quark's bowels unclench every time you hear the words "BRUNT! F.C.A.!"
     
  11. Vger23

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    A question best left to scholars and philosophers, I'd say.
     
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    Sci Fi take on demonic possession, in a way? Lol.
     
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    What do you mean? We’ve seen him.

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    What have you done with Voq's brain?!

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    Then how will he explain the 4 penises? :wtf:
     
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    Wait... how many? I got the impression it was 'only' two! :eek:
    Unless they have redundancies for the redundancy. [​IMG]
     
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  20. yenny

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    Why have another actor played Voq transfor form, when you could use the same actor. No, Javid Iqbal and Shazad Latif aren't the same person, they are two different actor. Base on that Javid Iqbal had hide his face in his social profiles, means that they're bringing him back in season 2 or later. Not as Voq, but as a new character.