Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg!!!

[LightningStorm]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

I think anything that is claimed to be "overused" is not so much a fault of its overuse, as it's a fault of its constant poor use.

I mean seriously, no one is complaining that "Humans" are overused because we get a very wide diversity of human personalities and plot lines etc. We get the good with the bad with the interesting with the uninteresting. Where as things that people allege are overused (Borg, Time Travel, Q, Vulcans, Klingons, Reset Buttons, Deus Ex Machinas) we usually get the same thing over and over and over again to where we get sick of it.

2¢

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

Vixen said:
I mean, I can't exactly imagine Beverly walking across hers and Picard's shared quarters, naked, and sitting in his lap.

What? She's supposed to cover up at all times?

This scene is probably PAD having fun with the line in the original TNG Writers' Bible which states that Beverly has "the walk of a strip tease queen".

 

[JD]

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David Mack said:
^ ...Miranda Kadohata....

Just my opinion, of course -- as someone who has, in the past six months, written two books in which she plays a significant role...

Sweet! I really liked her in Q&A and I hope we get to see more of that take on the character.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

Therin of Andor said:

Vixen said:
I mean, I can't exactly imagine Beverly walking across hers and Picard's shared quarters, naked, and sitting in his lap.

What? She's supposed to cover up at all times?

This scene is probably PAD having fun with the line in the original TNG Writers' Bible which states that Beverly has "the walk of a strip tease queen".

It just didn't seem like something Beverly would do.

Oh well. I should be happy that P/C is alive and well, at least.

 

[jezor]

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wizkid said:

Anubis said:
What went so wrong here? I hear nothing but bad things about this book. I like Peter David as well. Peter, what's wrong!?

The Borg adapting they way they did was a little over the top, even for a Trek fan who believes Kirk, Trip, and the rest have come back from the dead...

Actually, that made the most sense to me of anything in this book. I've always wondered why the Borg were so darned *bad* at adapting and evolving, given their potential advantages. Here, they finally take a giant step (instead of simply remodulating their shields into pretty crystal-ly things) and finally truly adapt to the humans who keep beating them. {ProfJonathan}

 

[Hardin]

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Is there any chance/plans/rumors Seven is going to stay on board, btw? I'd like that. She could be a credible source of conflict, if needed, and fill at least a bit the huge void Data's death has left. She'd also risk to become a uber-do-it-all-know-it-all character of course.

Regardless, this relaunch needs a lot more than three new characters (especially T'Lana and the obtuse security chief. Kadohata may still recover from the BD debacle). Poor Picard right now feels stuck on that bridge, forever doomed to be vexed by annoying, incompetent admirals (sadly, that has included Janeway), surrounded by substandard crewmembers and with a never ending Borg threat to deal with it. And Worf, Beverly and Geordi can't save him on their own. Well, Worf could go raging Klingon on T'Lana so we at least get a new counselor...

 

[Technobuilder]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

Just in case someone missed it or is now hesitant because of this thread.

Q&A is a really good book. It has a great story and the characters both old and new are complex and engaging.

Resistance & Before Dishonor each have their own respective problems, but overall I'm still upbeat and optimistic for future adventures with the characters from The Next Generation, despite any recent missteps.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

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Hardin said:
Well, Worf could go raging Klingon on T'Lana so we at least get a new counselor...

T'Lana requested a transfer at the end of Before Dishonor, remember? She was the only one of the three mutiny leaders to do so.

Which both made me happy and pissed me off. Happy, because I never liked her character, even when she wasn't being a pain in the ass. But it also pissed me off because if she was going to leave, they might as well have killed her off. Unless she comes back at some future point.

Technobuilder said:
Just in case someone missed it or is now hesitant because of this thread.

Q&A is a really good book. It has a great story and the characters both old and new are complex and engaging.

Q&A is the only one of these three TNG Relaunch books that I actually liked and had mostly positive things to say about it.

Oh, I just remembered: Jellico can kiss Picard's ass. Stupid-ass incompetent admiral.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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Vixen said:
Unless she comes back at some future point.

Do I misremember, or was her request to transfer not already denied?

 

[Dancing Doctor]

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^I thought Jellico didn't want her to go because he wanted his own little spy on the Enterprise (Shades of that one admiral from the Stargazer series) However, T'Lana threatened to resign her commission if she didn't get a transfer, and I think it was after Nechayev brought that up that he gave in.

I could be wrong.

 

[Christopher]

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Vixen is correct. Jellico wanted T'Lana to stay on board as a gadfly (a sort of latter-day R. J. Blaise, for those who recall PAD's Trek comics for DC), but Nechayev informed him that she'd resign if he didn't grant her transfer, and Jellico said, "Fine." It was a somewhat ambiguous scene, but on careful reading, it becomes clear that T'Lana is off the E-E either way, with the only real uncertainty being whether she transfers or resigns. (And this question, along with other questions raised by this and previous novels, will be answered in Greater Than the Sum.)

 

[jezor]

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Christopher said:
Vixen is correct. Jellico wanted T'Lana to stay on board as a gadfly (a sort of latter-day R. J. Blaise, for those who recall PAD's Trek comics for DC), but Nechayev informed him that she'd resign if he didn't grant her transfer, and Jellico said, "Fine." It was a somewhat ambiguous scene, but on careful reading, it becomes clear that T'Lana is off the E-E either way, with the only real uncertainty being whether she transfers or resigns. (And this question, along with other questions raised by this and previous novels, will be answered in Greater Than the Sum.)

Good on all fronts. T'Lana seemed to me to be the least useful new character--unlike almost any of the other Vulcans we've met over the years, canonical and otherwise, she showed very little depth of personality. She seemed to be there to be, for lack of a better word, petulant. She added nothing to the stories in which she appeared, playing the "Bartleby the Scrivener" role by saying, "I would prefer not to," any time she was asked to stretch her perspective a bit. I would be a bit surprised if she resigned; she doesn't seem to have that level of assertiveness in her. {ProfJonathan}

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

Christopher said:
Jellico wanted T'Lana to stay on board as a gadfly (a sort of latter-day R. J. Blaise, for those who recall PAD's Trek comics for DC)

Yes, I thought of her as I read the scene!

I'm thinking you're the best person to draw all these threads together! Can't wait! (I'm also hoping you'll slip in a few TMP-era aliens onto the Enterprise-E.)

 

[Hardin]

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T'Lana is off the ship? That's fantastic! I completely misunderstood that scene, then, I was sure the transfer request had been denied. Well, still one more to go but I'm hopeful now, after all chief of security is a dangerous job...

I take it from the lack of reactions that no one wishes for Seven to remain on the E?

 

[Smiley]

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Seven was a good guest character, but I can't see her being a regular on the Ent-E.

 

[Christopher]

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Therin of Andor said:
(I'm also hoping you'll slip in a few TMP-era aliens onto the Enterprise-E.)

There is one who plays a somewhat prominent role, but not on the E-E.

 

[flandry84]

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Actually,not just to be bloody-minded,but T'lana is perhaps the only new cast member worth saving.Sure she is vexing,but she has been consistently so.IMO Kadohata and Leybenzon are holed below the waterline as characters,IMO irreedeemably so.Ditch the flip-flop merchants.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

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The only thing I don't like about Leybenzon and Kadohata staying is that there will be yet more stress and tension between the TNG characters.

All this drama is getting to soap opera levels. Not space opera.

 

[David Mack]

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Vixen said:
The only thing I don't like about Leybenzon and Kadohata staying is that there will be yet more stress and tension between the TNG characters.

How about you wait and see what Christopher and I do before passing judgment? Just a suggestion....

 

[Dancing Doctor]

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

David Mack said:

Vixen said:
The only thing I don't like about Leybenzon and Kadohata staying is that there will be yet more stress and tension between the TNG characters.

How about you wait and see what Christopher and I do before passing judgment? Just a suggestion....

Sorry.