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Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg!!!

Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

I'm a fairly casual trek lit fan, but being a fan of the novel Vendetta and of Peter David's writing, I figured this one would be a lock as a fun read. It turns out my expectations were far too high.

It took me a page to figure out I was reading part 2 of a series, so I went out and picked up resistance so I wouldn't be left in the dark. Despite a somewhat shaky premise and some weird characterizations, it was an ok read. But it all went downhill from there.

Putting aside for a moment the ridiculous logic that the federation would leave a massive borg cube intact and unguarded in federation space, the fact that it comes alive and eats people, ships and planets was so out there that I had to do a double take on almost every page. I mean I realize as a sci-fi fan I have the ability to suspend disbelief for the sake of a good story, but this was too much, even for me. It was laughable. I'll admit, having Janeway get owned as badly as she did was hilarious, but the entire novel is so ridiculous that I couldn't even enjoy it like I wanted to. It just felt more like a badly written fan fiction than a serious novel.

None of the characters feel right here. Picard seems right out of TNG season 1. Worf doesn't show any of his evolution from DS9. The new bridge crew are given almost no back story and have no respect for Picard right from the start. One of them appears to have a mental disorder of some sort, as he is literally furious in every scene. Are we to believe that Picard actually hand selected this sorry group? T'Lana has no growth whatsoever, despite playing off of Spock. Lady Q is just thrown in there. Almost all of the jokes feel awkward and out of character, and as a kicker, Picard forgives his mutinous crew who have shown nothing but contempt and mistrust for him throughout the novel.

The first step in trying to captivate a reader is to make the characters seem real and believable. Yet there are such gaping holes in the logic of the plot and in the characterizations themselves, that this is impossible.

I really wanted to like this one. I like Peter David's writing, I like the Borg, I like TNG. But Pete was off his game on this one. Avoid this novel unless seeing Janeway get absolutely owned is worth $9 to you.
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

^Natural, actually it was part three of a new series and the new bridge crew (except T'Lana) was introduced in the second book, Q&A, which is where their back story is given.
 
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^^ Indeed, which just goes to show you even w/o Q&A this book and the characters within are completely out of control and unbelievable.

Natural, if you do get the urge to read Q&A (it's much better than Resistance and Before Dishonor) you'll see how those of us who had read it first was even more disgusted by the characterizations of the new crew.
 
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Hi all :) normally I just read these forums to check out which new books I should pick up (and nearly never posting here), but since I read BD I wanted to vent some air.....
First I agree with most things being said about it, mind not the positive ones...I absolutely hated this book! TNG is my favorite trek show ever, but after reading this thing I'm not so sure anymore. I totally loved Q&A, one of the best trek books I ever read :bolian: so I looked forward to BD and got very disappointed with it. The 'mutiny' was so unbelievable and the new characters, which I liked after Q&A, were so wrong. And what's wrong with Picard and co, de-evolution? :vulcan: And supposedly killing Janeway off in a TNG novel? :wtf: I like Janeway and I would hate that to be the last we've seen of her, this book makes me just angry.
Sorry about the complaining, but I nearly boiled over with frustration over the direction TNG lit is apparently going.Still there is hope for Greater than the sum.
:)
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

I totally loved Q&A, one of the best trek books I ever read :bolian:
Thank you very kindly for the compliment. :)
 
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LightningStorm said:
Natural, if you do get the urge to read Q&A (it's much better than Resistance and Before Dishonor) you'll see how those of us who had read it first was even more disgusted by the characterizations of the new crew.

Thanks, I'll check that one out.

CommanderTroi said: I like Janeway and I would hate that to be the last we've seen of her, this book makes me just angry.

Haha, that's the problem. Janeway fans will obviously be turned off by it, and people who really dislike Janeway (me) don't win either because the book is such a mess. Is a well written novel with Janeway getting owned too much to ask for? :D
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

is a well written novel or even a badly written one with Janeway coming back to life too much to ask for? ;)

btw, Sisko "dies" and goes with the prophets, Janeway dies (or "dies"? I think the jury's still out on that) and goes with the Qs... I think she at least got the most fun afterlife!
 
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Hardin said:
is a well written novel or even a badly written one with Janeway coming back to life too much to ask for? ;)

There's a crossover trilogy called "Destiny" coming towards the end of 2008. ;)
 
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Therin of Andor said:
Hardin said:
is a well written novel or even a badly written one with Janeway coming back to life too much to ask for? ;)

There's a crossover trilogy called "Destiny" coming towards the end of 2008. ;)
Ian, why are you assuming that Destiny will have anything to do with "Janeway coming back to life"? Why leave that impression? You don't know that Janeway is returning any more than I do, or that guy down the street who wouldn't know Star Trek from Captain Corbett.
 
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Allyn Gibson said:
Ian, why are you assuming that Destiny will have anything to do with "Janeway coming back to life"? Why leave that impression? You don't know that Janeway is returning any more than I do, or that guy down the street who wouldn't know Star Trek from Captain Corbett.
Just maybe because the second to last chapter of Before Dishonor has Janeway - after her apparent death - chatting to Q about her destiny. Maybe she wont be returning to life as Janeway the Human, but its hardly some wild out of nowhere idea that Janeway’s destiny, a thread left very dangling there, will be picked up in the huge crossover event which also happens to be called Destiny.
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

Come on, "destiny" is hardly a rare word. You could just as easily assume that the Destiny trilogy is about the starship Ezri Tigan served on when she was joined with Dax, or that it's a sequel to The Left Hand of Destiny, Best Destiny, or Engines of Destiny. And of course "Destiny" is also the name of a DS9 episode.

Besides, that chapter of BD has exactly three sentences that have anything to do with the concept of destiny, and only two that contain the word itself. They spend more time chatting about death and endings than about destiny, and about as much time talking about coffee as about destiny. If the big upcoming trilogy were called Star Trek: Coffee, then that would be a specific enough term to make one think there was a followup intended. But Destiny? Come on, that could mean anything.
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

You tricksy authors wont get us off the scent by distracting us with the possibilities of the the Star Trek: Coffee trilogy...
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

^ Damn. You saw through our ruse.....
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

^^All right, I confess. The trilogy is actually called Star Trek: Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.

And Keith will be writing the tie-in, Star Trek: Klingon Empire: Raktajino.
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

^^ With a follow-up to that called Star Trek: Klingon Empire: Prune Juice... right?
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

And the harrowing conclusion, Star Trek: Ferenginar -- Slug-O-Cola
 
Re: Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg

David Mack said:
And the harrowing conclusion, Star Trek: Ferenginar -- Slug-O-Cola
Followed the next month by the miniseries Star Trek: Cardassia: Fish Juice
 
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