Have you considered trying some of the other series? Because there are some really good character driven stories in the DS9 Relaunch, Vanguard, and Titan series.
Vixen tries to do Before Dishonor or: Motherf**king Borg!!!
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Missed this the first time -- if you think this, you're not reading the right science fiction at all....
Truth! Been to the Stargate forum here lately? It's so bad over there that words like "basher" and "gusher" are tantamount to racial slurs.
Goodness, I hate to admit it, but I kinda am too, and I even like the VOY-R as well as String Theory and Distant Shores. My beef with it all is that Voyager has been lacking in quantity. I didn't have a 'quality' problem until Before Dishonor came out and made a (what appears to be permanent) mockery and outright dismissal of Janeway (a staple Voyager character) and then had the audacity to do it in a book that is NOT a Voyager book.
ETA: I forgot to pre-emt the inevitable responses to "exactly how many Voyager stories there have been." The quantity I'm speaking of are ones that are actually Star Trek Voyager books with the actual Voyager crew in the (ahem) "real" universe set either during or after the series. So while, yes Mirror Universe and Myriad Universe and TNG books that have these people are all fantastic and great and whets some of the appetite, it is not what I'm talking about.
Wow. Now, that's good news.
I'm not, however, going to hold my breath, because I'll turn blue and die.
I'm halfway there, KRAD!
One can only hope...
Sweet, so that one is a Voyager story then. Have we heard anything yet about which series the rest of the stories use?
First:
Well, Kathy wouldn't be the first character to come back from the dead, the end of Before Dishonor left every possibilty open.
Second:
Voyager has a fine crew and a good captain and could certainly go around without being nursed by an Admiral. So even if this "death" is permanent (Which I sincerly doubt), it wouldn't hamper the continuation of Voager-novels.
Good to hear. Even given the fact, that the Voyager-Relaunch was more or less a complete catastrophy, it would be interesting to see after this long hiatus, what other authors can make out of that mess Christie Golden left over.
I'd be willing to bet she'll be back, that is not directly to which I am referring. I chose my words quite carefully there, intentionally not saying "killing Janeway." The apparent death of Janeway in that book was IMO what made a mockery of her character, the fact that she appears to have remained dead as some sort of 'cliff hanger ending' implies (to me at least) some sort of lasting damage on her character even if she comes back. Now, don't get me wrong, lasting damage to a character is a good thing, but being I didn't like the damage to begin with means I'm not likely to like the lasting damages. Also don't mistake me here, I'm not prejudging books-not-yet-written I'm totally open to this possibly coming out all for the better. However being left off on a bad note does not bode well for my expectations of that outcome. I desperately hope to have those low expectations far exceeded.
As for #2, Again I chose my words specifically here. Her being a "staple" character does not in any way insinuate that she is the one and only character and is required for Voyager to continue. Just that she is one of the primary characters (I'd even venture to say top 2) when one thinks of Voyager (the other being Seven).
Hmm... "Places of Exiles". It might be too early to confirm or deny, but if this is a VOY novel, with that title, I'm going to guess the alternate factor is the VOY crew choosing to settle down somewhere in the Delta Quadrant rather than pursuing the journey back to the Federation.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Given the way they've assasinated her character before her death I'm not holding out much hope they'll get it right after they bring her back. I would love to be proven wrong on that though...
From what I've read online that's exactly what it's about. I've read plenty of fanfiction pieces with the same premise though.
I'm curious what you might have read online to lead you to that conclusion. Outside of this thread, the only things that I have announced online about Places of Exile are this:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=1232488&postcount=46
and this:
http://unreality-sf.net/interviews/bennett.html
And neither of those leads unambiguously to the scenario you specify.
In fact, Trent's speculation is not "exactly what it's about" (although I won't specify what or how much is wrong about it). I'd also point out that there's more than one way of defining exile, and that the title is from a quote by Albert Camus, which is also the epigraph of the book: "We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes, and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others."
^^I like that epigraph.
Rather introspective which I would say is quite logical as the story follows a major decision at a critical moment.
Rather introspective which I would say is quite logical as the story follows a major decision at a critical moment.
Just for giggles, exactly what in the post-NEM novels are you thinking of when you say Janeway's character was assassinated?
Funny, I was just thinking it's pretty hard to perform character assassination on a character that was so inconsistently written on the show...
As for Janeway's fate in Before Dishonor, I think this is all very much much ado about nothing. I'll be very surprised if that hook from the end of BD isn't followed up on in Destiny, though of course Mack won't confirm or deny that.
As for Janeway's fate in Before Dishonor, I think this is all very much much ado about nothing. I'll be very surprised if that hook from the end of BD isn't followed up on in Destiny, though of course Mack won't confirm or deny that.
I know that's a VERY fashionable opinion right now but it's one I don't agree with. From what I've heard and from what I've read while flipping through the books before deciding not to buy them this is not the same Janeway I watched for seven years.
If you're truly interested I can point you to some excellent fanfiction that I believe does give an accurate portrayal of her character. Until I see similar quality from Pocket I'll be spending my money elsewhere.
Oh, no. My opinion isn't "fashionable" at all. I have the same problem with Voyager the TV show that I have always had. It is one of the greatest wastes of potential storytelling I have ever seen. And yes, I kept watching, hoping it would get better. There were gems from time to time, but it also had too many flaws. I have a lot of respect for the actors on the show. But when it comes to the characterizations, it's almost schizophrenic at times. There's very little consistency in overall character, especially with Janeway. With most of the others there's consistency, but she was all over the place as to personality type.
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