violence

[Maxillius]

The most shocking gory moment in Star Trek has to be the TNG episode where Lt. Cdr. Dexter Remmick is revealed to have some space slug inside his body. I don't think they've matched that yet for over the topness.

Oh yeah, until Trek melts another guy's head bigger than life, front and center, alone in the shot, that scene will always be the hands-down goriest.

Nothing in Trek matches the scene in Total Recall where Arnold Swarzenegger's character and the guy he was chasing are on the surface of Mars as their bodies expand due to vacuum. If I recall (only seen it once), the head on the guy he was chasing actually explodes while Arnold's eyes just bulge out of their sockets. Still pretty gruesome if you're 11.

 

[Kevman7987]

The deaths in Star Trek I find most disturbing is when people get blown out into space. They're simultaneously burning, freezing, boiling, & suffocating. Out of all the ways we've seen people killed in Star Trek, people going EVA without a suit is the only one that gives me nightmares.

I mean, the look of terror on that young female officer's face moments before she loses her grip in the Kelvin corridor. It haunts me to this day.

 

[Khan 2.0]

getting sucked out at warp was pretty crazy - what would that do? obliterated at high speed? lost in the warp tunnel?

 

[BillJ]

getting sucked out at warp was pretty crazy - what would that do? obliterated at high speed? lost in the warp tunnel?

Probably shred your body from all the stress.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

When I was a kid, before TWOK, I found the pale green TOS disintegration effect pretty scary. The tech manual called it dematerialization, which sounds way more thorough than vaporization to me. TAS had a reasonably similar effect, which IIRC they never used on people. TWOK's animated burn-away, where the victim could screech in pain, was the first really different disintegration effect in Star Trek. TOS's is still eerier to me. The sound probably helps make it that way, too.

 

[Greg Cox]

In TWoK, you've got Ceti eels put into ears, which is more disturbing than anything in the new movie. And Khan slaughters everyone at the space station. Granted, this takes place offstage, but it sounds pretty brutal. "He cut their throats."

And Khan himself is a gory mess when he finally triggers the Genesis Device and spits his last breath at Kirk . . .

Heck, as far back as "The Cage," Pike uses "violent" thoughts to resist the Keeper's telepathy, threatens to twist the Keeper's head off with his bare hands, is tortured with illusory hellfire and brimstone, and then, of course, there's the Rigellian barbarian who ends up impaled on his own sword . . .

Violence on Trek has never been particularly clean and bloodless.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I would be much of this false perception steams from the 90s sterilization. Voyager could be a little violent ... but not really.

 

[Greg Cox]

Other sci-fi/fantasy films are pretty violent: the Star Wars films featured dismemberment, electrocution, and other forms of death. The original Planet of the Apes series was loaded with gunshot victims, etc. From the 1960s-forward, sci-fi and/or fantasy films did not avoid bloodshed / physical violence when necessary, so i'm wondering why you believe it was avoided?

I'm not even sure it only dates back to the 1960s. You have widespread devastation in The War of the Worlds (1953), vicious Morlocks and implied cannibalism in The Time Machine (1960), a head being crushed in hydraulic press in The Fly (1958), a severed arm in The Thing from Another World (1951), a man impaled on a giant hypodermic needle in The Amazing Colossal Man (1957) . . . .and those are just the moments that were burned into my brain as a kid.

Getting back to Star Trek, let's not forget the miners burned to death by the Horta in "Devil in the Dark," which I also found very disturbing when I was young and impressionable.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The most shocking gory moment in Star Trek has to be the TNG episode where Lt. Cdr. Dexter Remmick is revealed to have some space slug inside his body. I don't think they've matched that yet for over the topness.

That was a major shocker for me - and I only saw it a few years ago on DVD! BBC cut from phasers firing to Picard's log entry on the original showing here. I later saw the head exploding VERY briefly in "Shades of Grey", but when I saw the full scene with the monster rising from Remmick's remains afterwards, it was a real "WTF??" moment. Considering TNG's target audience and the era, the mind boggles that they ever did it.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Aliens was the year before Conspiracy so no doubt that had something to do with it (along with TWOK but mouth instead of ear)

But yeah it was surprising

Actually the Nero/pike scene was a homage to Conspiracy as much as TWOK

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Then there's the really weird stuff, like taking away people's faces.

 

[xavier]

I don't like the scene where Khan crushed Marcus' skull with his bare hands -- and in front of his daughter whose leg he just had broken too. With disgusting sounds.

Was it needed? I am sure not.

Fantasy sci-fi traditionally used rayguns not only for the futuristic look but to avoid showing blood and such when dispatching enemies. I

I also didn't like in ST2009 when Kirk ordered open fire with all weapons at an enemy already defeated. In traditional Star Trek the enemy would "honorably" self-destruct after refusing help.

I also didn't like in STID that Kirk took our beloved starship Enterprise as a weapon of vengeance and execution on John Harrison. And at the end they didnt think twice before forcibly dissected him for the magic ressurection.

Star Trek should be cleaner.

But I'm just one guy.

Do you want Disney to buy trek?

they will make trek all fluffy with no violence. Like they have dine with marvel. If Disney had a write to X-Men they will never make a film like days of future past, which was quite violence but at the same time a comic masterpiece.

I do not mind violence and I think the new trek films are mild in violence compared to like ...lets say Quentin Tarantino films.

Now imagine if Tarantino directs trek.

 

[Shat Happens]

I don't like the scene where Khan crushed Marcus' skull with his bare hands -- and in front of his daughter whose leg he just had broken too. With disgusting sounds.

Was it needed? I am sure not.

Fantasy sci-fi traditionally used rayguns not only for the futuristic look but to avoid showing blood and such when dispatching enemies. I

I also didn't like in ST2009 when Kirk ordered open fire with all weapons at an enemy already defeated. In traditional Star Trek the enemy would "honorably" self-destruct after refusing help.

I also didn't like in STID that Kirk took our beloved starship Enterprise as a weapon of vengeance and execution on John Harrison. And at the end they didnt think twice before forcibly dissected him for the magic ressurection.

Star Trek should be cleaner.

But I'm just one guy.

Do you want Disney to buy trek?

they will make trek all fluffy with no violence. Like they have dine with marvel. If Disney had a write to X-Men they will never make a film like days of future past, which was quite violence but at the same time a comic masterpiece.

I do not mind violence and I think the new trek films are mild in violence compared to like ...lets say Quentin Tarantino films.

Now imagine if Tarantino directs trek.

I don't mind plot-justified deaths in movies; on the contrary, I like them.

But I saw no need for a skull crush in STID. If Marcus must have died, he could've died in the Vengance crash, for example. (It would be even more fitting, since she was his ship)

 

[Khan 2.0]

I kind ofliked it when Khan crushed Marcus' skull.. I mean I liked the way Kirk looked at it like 'Whoa this guy is frickin insane!' and to the audience (well trekkies) it was like 'oh yeah hes going full on TWOK Khan now'

 

[Franklin]

But I saw no need for a skull crush in STID. If Marcus must have died, he could've died in the Vengance crash, for example. (It would be even more fitting, since she was his ship)

It moved the plot and helped reveal the character of Khan.

Khan was one pissed off superman, there. It's unlikely he was going to take Marcus, strap him to a gurney, and administer a poison IV cocktail so that he'd die "humanely."

It was shocking. It was supposed to be shocking. Khan probably enjoyed the hell out of it. Contrast it with Kirk actually asking Carol's permission to stun her father in front of her. I mean WTF? Stun the guy and get on with it. Why do you need Carol's approval? Polite people with a moral compass always think too much. By contrast, Khan probably sleeps very well at night.

Breaking Carol's leg before that was supposed to be shocking and disturbing, too.

Khan may not be just immoral, he may be amoral. He doesn't give a crap about anybody or anything that gets in his way. He has no humanity. Despite his superior intellect, the one word he probably doesn't know the meaning of is, "mercy."

 

[BillJ]

I kind ofliked it when Khan crushed Marcus' skull.. I mean I liked the way Kirk looked at it like 'Whoa this guy is frickin insane!' and to the audience (well trekkies) it was like 'oh yeah hes going full on TWOK Khan now'

I loved the rage in his eyes and the "you should have let me sleeeep" line. Cumberbatch hadn't really sold me on being Khan until that moment.

 

[Ithekro]

Breaking Carol's leg is a tactical thing. Pushing her, means she can get up later to do something. Breaking it means she's probably not getting up again to get in the way. Keeping her alive means you have a tool to use against Kirk.

 

[Smellmet]

How would you have liked the scene to play out? There's no way Khan was going to let Marcus live after what he had done, it wouldn't have been remotely consistent with the character.

Taking the scene literally I'm surprised he didn't off Kirk.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

The most shocking gory moment in Star Trek has to be the TNG episode where Lt. Cdr. Dexter Remmick is revealed to have some space slug inside his body. I don't think they've matched that yet for over the topness.

That was a major shocker for me - and I only saw it a few years ago on DVD! BBC cut from phasers firing to Picard's log entry on the original showing here. I later saw the head exploding VERY briefly in "Shades of Grey", but when I saw the full scene with the monster rising from Remmick's remains afterwards, it was a real "WTF??" moment. Considering TNG's target audience and the era, the mind boggles that they ever did it.

It's gruesome for TV, though not terribly realistic by today's SFX standards. It's also very similar to the end of THE HIDDEN, where Kyle Machlachlan's alien destroys the parasite coming out of the politician. That film came out roughly six months before ''Conspiracy.''

 

[Melakon]

The most shocking gory moment in Star Trek has to be the TNG episode where Lt. Cdr. Dexter Remmick is revealed to have some space slug inside his body. I don't think they've matched that yet for over the topness.

That was a major shocker for me - and I only saw it a few years ago on DVD! BBC cut from phasers firing to Picard's log entry on the original showing here. I later saw the head exploding VERY briefly in "Shades of Grey", but when I saw the full scene with the monster rising from Remmick's remains afterwards, it was a real "WTF??" moment. Considering TNG's target audience and the era, the mind boggles that they ever did it.

It's gruesome for TV, though not terribly realistic by today's SFX standards. It's also very similar to the end of THE HIDDEN, where Kyle Machlachlan's alien destroys the parasite coming out of the politician. That film came out roughly six months before ''Conspiracy.''

But I thought the subject was regarding violence in Star Trek? The Remmick bursting was pretty surprising for family viewing television in those days. You can't simply judge the level of violence by today's standards, you have to know of the mindset when earlier productions were made.