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Vic Fontaine almost ruined DS9.

I like it too, but I really wish he had (was allowed to have?) done the same arrangements on the album as he did on the show.
Same. I'm just glad we got any sort of an album though. I didn't expect it would happen. Definitely wouldn't happen these days.
 
I did find Vic Fontaine to be... difficult to like for a long time. Up until digital copies became available my only copy of DS9 was on VHS, and my increasingly elderly VHS player struggled with maintaining a consistent playback speed. This was not normally detectable most of the time, but it meant that Vic Fontaine's singing warbled up and down like someone dropped a drink into a mixing desk and couldn't turn it off. Although I knew Vic was supposed to be able to actually sing from the original transmissions, this "cluelessly bad club singer" remix became dominant in my memory, and even today I find it hard to take him entirely seriously as a result.
 
There's no knowing that one way or the other. Without Vic, they might have gone in a better direction than bringing in a hologram of a 1960s era human crooner.
You realize I'm talking about my individual perspective, right? For me, Vic Fontaine was a breath of fresh air. I used to work in musical theatre, so I appreciate musical settings with people who are good at singing. I found that whole Dominion War arc simultaneously depressing, boring, tedious, and although there were a few interesting parts (Jake as a reporter, facing death as he did and Bashir having to support him, for example), I was happy when they had other things going on.

I'm not into Klingon soap operas, Bajoran soap operas, Odo's soap opera, which is what the show felt like at that time.

On the other hand, if some sort of time anomaly brought James Darren from the 20th century into the future, that would have been more interesting. Instead, we get a hologram of a fictional personage that is basically just a James Darren styled crooner. :rolleyes:
So a 20th century lounge singer/bar owner accidentally comes forward in time, he's played by James Darren, and he's gone in that same episode (and hopefully not treated as shabbily as Picard's bunch treated 20th century people).

Nope, I'd rather than Vic Fontaine as a hologram living at Quark's.
 
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You realize I'm talking about my individual perspective, right?

Of course. I assume that about anyone who posts something on a message board. What you read was my individual perspective. What you read below is also my individual perspective.


So a 20th century lounge singer/bar owner accidentally comes forward in time, he's played by James Darren, and he's gone in that same episode

Who says he has to go back? He could be stuck there due to some [insert technobabble here] reason.
Having the real James Darren there, and thus referencing his actual history, would have been far more interesting than a fictional character. You would also have the juxtaposition of a 20th century person attempting to navigate and learn to fit into a future world. Instead, we got the boring concept of a hologram of a person who never existed.

(and hopefully not treated as shabbily as Picard's bunch treated 20th century people).

I do agree that The TNG crew did not treat those folks very well. Very interesting that a seemingly evolved and enlightened group of people from the future would treat their forebears so poorly. You'd think there would be a little more empathy. Barring that, you'd think curiosity would come into play. Imagine meeting someone who was living in 1624. I'd be curious as hell to talk to that person.
 
Of course. I assume that about anyone who posts something on a message board. What you read was my individual perspective. What you read below is also my individual perspective.




Who says he has to go back? He could be stuck there due to some [insert technobabble here] reason.
Having the real James Darren there, and thus referencing his actual history, would have been far more interesting than a fictional character. You would also have the juxtaposition of a 20th century person attempting to navigate and learn to fit into a future world. Instead, we got the boring concept of a hologram of a person who never existed.



I do agree that The TNG crew did not treat those folks very well. Very interesting that a seemingly evolved and enlightened group of people from the future would treat their forebears so poorly. You'd think there would be a little more empathy. Barring that, you'd think curiosity would come into play. Imagine meeting someone who was living in 1624. I'd be curious as hell to talk to that person.
Did Picard's crew really treat people from the 20th century so bad?

What I remember from the episode The Neutral Zone, it was only that arrogant Ralph Offenhouse they were a bit rude against, mostly because he behaved like a jerk himself. They were actually nice to the other two, Clare Raymond and Sonny Clemonds.

As for Vic, it could actually have been interesting if he had been a real person from the 20th century instead of a hologram. James Darren playing himself in the future? Well, why not.

I would actually have more of Vic/James in the Star trek books as well. He and Quark could have some cooperation when it comes to turn the station into a place with a lot of entertainment both at Quark's bar and Vic's Lounge now after the Dominion War has ended, entertainment with great artists such as:



Not to mention special perfomances by:



and



Not to mention the Gamma Quadrant sensation



Performing their splendid versions of the20th century Earth group The Mamas and The Papas' songs, such as "Founder Founder", Dedicated To The Shapeshifter We Love, I Saw The Female Founder Last Night" and "Gamma Quadrant Dreaming".
 
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Vic would be sad to know that the Tropicana casino in Las Vegas is being demolished. but he might also be pleased that it lasted from 1957 to 2024.
 
Vic would be sad to know that the Tropicana casino in Las Vegas is being demolished. but he might also be pleased that it lasted from 1957 to 2024.

Oh, that is kind of sad...I stayed there a few years back. I believe it was also featured in an episode of Angel.
 
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Vic would be sad to know that the Tropicana casino in Las Vegas is being demolished. but he might also be pleased that it lasted from 1957 to 2024.
Why are there such constant destroying of cultural places like this? :weep:

I mean, the same happened to the cavern Cub in Liverpool where The Beatles started their career and thw Marquee club in London where all important bands in the 60's played.

Such places of cultural heritage should be preserved, not destroyed.

Maybe a visible sign of the decline of humanity since the early 70's which took a turn to the worse at the 2000's.
 
I got to know someone from Las Vegas for a while who said it was absolutely normal for casinos to get knocked down and rebuilt every 20 to 25 years or so, rather than just renovated. So from that point of view it's overdue. Las Vegas visitors like to see shiny new things and just redecorating isn't enough.
 
I got to know someone from Las Vegas for a while who said it was absolutely normal for casinos to get knocked down and rebuilt every 20 to 25 years or so, rather than just renovated. So from that point of view it's overdue. Las Vegas visitors like to see shiny new things and just redecorating isn't enough.
Still a stupid thing to do. :weep:
 
Well, from my cursory glances at news headlines, the Tropicana isn't even going to be replaced with a similar establishment. It's being demolished to put in an MLB baseball stadium instead, to be the home stadium when the Athletics relocate to Vegas.

Land owners/investors or whoever, must have figured it would be more profitable than the Tropicana. And fans of major league baseball may rejoice, or something.

Kor
 
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Well, from my cursory glances at news headlines, the Tropicana isn't even going to be replaced with a similar establishment. It's being demolished to put in an MLB baseball stadium instead, to be the home stadium when the Athletics relocate to Vegas.
Sheesh, the Raiders and now the A's? Is Vegas going to swipe the Golden Gate Bridge next?
 
No skin off my nose. I generally avoid casinos. I just look at their lush lawns, sparkly lights, gorgeous furnishings, and attentive staff... and I remember what pays for all of it.
 
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