V'Ger, the Whale Probe, the Borg
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V'Ger and the whale probe are coming. None of the changes made will stop them, although Original Recipe Spock has knowledge that could make handling them much easier. The Borg are more complicated. It's unlikely Q will take Jean Luc Picard and his Ent D to the Delta Quadrant since Picard probably won't exist anymore. If that doesn't happen, then the Borg won't move towards the alpha quadrant anytime soon.
What change(s) do you suggest would prevent Jean Luc Picard from being born and having a similar career? And if another crew (and or ship) became Q's favorite target of abuse they could have ended up taken to Borg territory and alerting the Borg to the Federation's precence.
In addition:
Many people think Guinin and the other El'aurin refugees in the early part of Generations (the -B era) were fleeing a Borg attack.
While they hadn't beed identified as Borg, there were some Federation/Romulan neutral Zone attacks (predating the -D's direct encounter created by Q) that were later identified as having similar energy signatures to Borg attacks/mass assimilations.
The timing of Seven of Nine's assimilation (allong with her parents) isn't clear. There's some possibility some portion of starfleet (Section 31?) that was aware of the Borg before the -D's commisioning and that few if any regular fleet captains (or the contents of their ship's databases) were permited knowledge of the Borg's existance.
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The Borg are probably on their way - remember, they still will eventually (in the 24th century) receive the signal sent by the Arctic drones in the mid-22nd century. Unless another Alpha or Beta Quadrant ship gets sent their way, they may not take as much an interest as quickly as before, but they will still make their way toward Earth.
No idea how the whale probe will be stopped. The new timeline Kirk and crew can't go back and rescue George and Gracie as old timeline Kirk and crew will need to rescue them. They'll need to find another pair of humpback whales (or go back to another time and/or place in order to get another pair of humpbacks). Gotta love time travel.
I don't think we should take the time travel stuff too literally, I've said it before but it could end up being like a mirror universe rather than completely destroying the future. So Picard will exist, the Ent-D will still exist and they all still have a destiny.
There was that episode of TNG with all the alternate reality Enterprise-Ds, one of them could've been from the new timeline.
There was that episode of TNG with all the alternate reality Enterprise-Ds, one of them could've been from the new timeline.
oh that's clever. one of the parallels timelines.
Well lets see...Mirror Universe persons are unachievable based on the idea it existed as a consequence of events in the Past. The only way Nasty Sisko could exist in the alt future is if reality reaches backward from his existance. That means he was exposed to a Black Hole and prevented from existing in his own real history Universe. Black holes expand as a boundary of change in Possibility forward and backward through time from point of Origin.
Therefore Sisko has been exterminated using black hole weapons. In fact - the Federation very much seems a "civilization subjected to change in possibility" so it is under attack by Black Hole weaponry. Someone some where is creating change in Possibility and the Federation is their 'Bitch'.
Hopefully this time Kirk won’t be on his way to a court martial in a commandeered Klingon ship.
Changes to the timeline would propagate into the past if they alter a backwards time travel event. In other words, if the time travel in First Contact is prevented then there would not be any Arctic Drones to send a signal.
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Chaos theory, the butterfly effect, call it what you will. once one change is made, it creates more changes and those changes create still further changes. In the case of individuals, it takes a lot of environmental factors happening just so to create an individual. If my parents conceived a child a few days earlier or later, the person named Chris Goodson would probably be a radically different individual. Add nearly 100 years from the initial change in the movie (the attack on Kelvin) and then the massive change later (Vulcan) and you get a universe that is going to branch off in many different ways. I doubt Picard as we know him will ever be born. Perhaps a crewman who narrowly escaped from the Kelvin decided to quit Starfleet because of the incident and became a restaurant critic. One day he was having a meal in a Paris cafe and met and married a great girl who would have otherwise gone on to be Picard's grandmother? Now multiply this scenario times a billion little incidents in a world where the Federation has lost one of its founding members. Sorry guys, but in the Nutrek timeline, Picard, Worf, Riker, Troi, Geordi, Crusher Tasha, the Duras sisters, and even Wesley are probably never going to be.
Now that, is highly likely.
As is that.
Overall, I just want to see the writers own up to this new universe they have created. If the idea is to get out from under the weight of 40 plus years of canon, they have done that to a point. Most things will happen differently, but some things won't. That's why I like this thread. Things that have no direct connection to the Federation/Klingons/Romulans should logically stay the same in the new timeline.
We've addressed the Borg, whale tube and V'Ger. Can anyone thing of any other major plot devices that should still happen in this new frontier of a universe?
Good points. And of course, Kahn is still floating around out there. Although there's no telling who, if anyone, will find him.
A destiny which is still very sexist.
Maybe they'll do Rachel Garrett instead... I hope.
i don't see how everything that has happened in the The Original series and films, cannot happen again, just perhaps slightly different as Kirk, Spock, McCoy etc are younger than when they started their missions, the only major difference in the timeline is the fact they know Romulans exist and look like Vulcans and that Vulcan is no more
That's a damn big "only."
hellsgate
Commodore
I'd keep any mention of V'Ger & The Whale Probe confined to fan fiction. It would be interesting to know if The U.F.P. ever got to deal with whomever sent it in the first place. Anyone open to a fan fic challenge that deals specifically with that in any era from The Lost Years to TNG Relaunch?
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
OK let's clear up some basics shall we:
- The timeline has altered so drastically that the chances of the same Sperm and Egg that created Picard coming together again at the same time is almost infinity to 1.
- Since we have a new timeline there's no reason the Ent-D will even be commissioned in the same century. The previous Entperises might not be destroyed when they originally were.
- Since there will be no Picard there is no Q and no contact with the Borg, no contact with the Borg means no 'First Contact' movie, meaning there are no Borg in 'ENT' to send a signal back to the Delta Quadrant.
- Changing the timeline by destroying the Kelvin has also altered the future of that timeline meaning that the Temporal cold war will be different or wont happen therefore there's no reason to believe that everything we saw happen in ENT has happened in this new timeline. Does future guy even exist in this new timeline? if not then he won't send his image through time and ENT will happen differently.
yep it is lol. The other thing is differences in the people themselves, Spock certainly lost his Mother and his planet which didn't happen in the original universe and the same with Kirk losing his father
Ok, I know this will seem like a troll chiming in to flame, but I just felt compelled to comment.
The way that I take it, while this timeline has been changed to an extreme degree (losing a federation founder), many key events will still happen. Nomad, and V'ger are still on their way, as is the Whale Probe. The Borg will receive the distress call from the reactivated borg....maybe. Those drones were dispatched by Picards Crew in the "Prime" Trek universe. In this prime universe, the final attack on Earth by the Borg set in motion events that LED to the Borg discovering Earth/Alpha Quadrent civilizations. Will "Abrams-verse" Picard (or who ever captains the Ent. in the 24th century) do the same...only time will tell.
But, it is my belief that there WILL be a Jean-Luc Picard in his time period. And more than likely, he WILL serve in SF. I know that chaos theory dictates otherwise, but if you look at the Trekverse (or now Trek Multiverse), you see alot of chances for things to go wrong but don't.
As to the 'sexism' thing: this movie was no more sexist than the source material. There were no female commanders/captains on TOS. Heck, the closest thing to a female in charge was a Romulan captain, and she flolded for Spock like a bad bond girl. Seriously, if anyone can think of a female in a position of power in any TOS EPISODE, toss it out here. (ok, the drill thralls, but do they really count....once again, they turned into schoolgirls for Kirk and Checkov)
The way that I take it, while this timeline has been changed to an extreme degree (losing a federation founder), many key events will still happen. Nomad, and V'ger are still on their way, as is the Whale Probe. The Borg will receive the distress call from the reactivated borg....maybe. Those drones were dispatched by Picards Crew in the "Prime" Trek universe. In this prime universe, the final attack on Earth by the Borg set in motion events that LED to the Borg discovering Earth/Alpha Quadrent civilizations. Will "Abrams-verse" Picard (or who ever captains the Ent. in the 24th century) do the same...only time will tell.
But, it is my belief that there WILL be a Jean-Luc Picard in his time period. And more than likely, he WILL serve in SF. I know that chaos theory dictates otherwise, but if you look at the Trekverse (or now Trek Multiverse), you see alot of chances for things to go wrong but don't.
As to the 'sexism' thing: this movie was no more sexist than the source material. There were no female commanders/captains on TOS. Heck, the closest thing to a female in charge was a Romulan captain, and she flolded for Spock like a bad bond girl. Seriously, if anyone can think of a female in a position of power in any TOS EPISODE, toss it out here. (ok, the drill thralls, but do they really count....once again, they turned into schoolgirls for Kirk and Checkov)
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