Spoilers Variety Article on Patrick Stewart's Return

[fireproof78]

To shift gears, I wonder how the new showrunners make the Federation more of a sadsack place considering it's post-scarcity. How do you get communities of Romulan refugees still in dusty encampments which appear to be out of the middle ages over a decade after arrival when an industrial replicator could give them clean, modern housing in no time?

Hopefully they don't just gloss over this - thinking we need scarcity for story purposes, universe be damned. I could see in-universe ways to deal with this - like replicator capacity is theoretically nearly infinite, but the terms under which the Federation let the Romulans in meant they only get survival-level replicator access within their own communities.

Well, power generation can always be the limiting factor. If the power grid is damaged in some way then the ability to generate replicated materials may be impacted. So, If the Romulans have limited power resources then the ability to replicate full housing would also be limited.

 

[Cake]

To shift gears, I wonder how the new showrunners make the Federation more of a sadsack place considering it's post-scarcity. How do you get communities of Romulan refugees still in dusty encampments which appear to be out of the middle ages over a decade after arrival when an industrial replicator could give them clean, modern housing in no time?

Hopefully they don't just gloss over this - thinking we need scarcity for story purposes, universe be damned. I could see in-universe ways to deal with this - like replicator capacity is theoretically nearly infinite, but the terms under which the Federation let the Romulans in meant they only get survival-level replicator access within their own communities.

There are countless livable planets out there and the Federation has also the ability to have colonies on dead rocks like Mars. And there never seemed to be a limit in regards to replicators being available. It seemed like everyone who wanted one could easily get one. Not to mention you could build a lot of houses and all kinds of others things the old fashioned way in over a decade. Even with today's technology a lot would be possible if the will is there.

And it is not like the number of Romulan refugess could even be so extremely high in comparison to the overall population of the whole Federation. I mean they are all descendants of a group of Vulcans leaving their home planet not so long ago and from all we know they don't procreate like Tribbles. Romulans were also never particular peaceful so they must have lost quite a number of people though war over the years.

So I think such an advanced and big society like the Federation with so many places and technology available should easily be able to provide the Romulan refugees with nice new homes and lives. If their living situation is bad the only reason can be that the Federation either wants them to live in a bad way or just doesn't care enough to improve it. I think the reason in the series will be that many in the Federation don't like Romulans, likely many mistrust them, too, so they treat them like crap.

 

[Noname Given]

I'm having reservations about this show lately. I don't want to because I've been looking forward to it but everything in that "Children of Mars' short, Stewart's liberal pontificating and the fact it's looking more and more like Discovery style misery porn is setting alarm bells ringing.

I hope I'm wrong but it's not a good start when the star of the show alienates half the viewership before it even airs.

I was a BIG fan of TOS (1966-69) - so when they said there's going to be a NEW SHOW called "Star Trek: The Next Generation" I thought - "Great - they're updating Star Trek with modern effects, but I'm sure it's going to be the SAME THING I know and have loved for nearly two decades..."

After WATCHING the TNG premire in 1987:

"What the F**K was that...not MY Star Trek..."

So yeah, I get what you'll probably be going through - but at least with this production, EVERYONE involved has been saying:

"Um, no, it won't be a sequel to TNG or TNG redux..."

So, at least you got some warning.

Hell, it may be a version of the late 24th century I actually may enjoy and find watchable after 18+ years of Berman&Braga drek...

 

[fireproof78]

"What the F**K was that...not MY Star Trek..."

And we've pretty much lived in that place ever since

 

[Greg Cox]

Count me as another old-school Trekkie who was seriously underwhelmed by TNG when it debuted in '87, enough so that I was actually taken a bit by surprise to find myself really liking an episode ("Measure of a Man") when it first aired during the second season. TNG definitely got better as it went on and became a worthy successor to TOS, but, yeah, the "That's not my STAR TREK!" effect will be with us every time a new iteration of Trek comes along.

Fifteen years from now, future fans will complain that the new, new, new Trek isn't as good that classic stuff from the early 21st century . . . .

 

[Yistaan]

Count me as another old-school Trekkie who was seriously underwhelmed by TNG when it debuted in '87, enough so that I was actually taken a bit by surprise to find myself really liking an episode ("Measure of a Man") when it first aired during the second season. TNG definitely got better as it went on and became a worthy successor to TOS, but, yeah, the "That's not my STAR TREK" effect will be with us every time a new iteration of Trek comes along.

Fifteen years from now, future fans will complain that the new, new, new Trek isn't as good that classic stuff from the early 21st century . . . .

I have no problem with Discovery and the new stuff having grown up on TNG as a kid since late 80s/90s. It's a huge difference from my reaction to the Star Wars Disney reboot, which devastated me.

The main difference is, Star Wars pre-Disney had a large cohesive continuity and great works that were overwritten. New Trek isn't overwriting anything that we weren't already told a gazillion times was non-canon (and even those contradicted each other, see the differences between the novelverse and Star Trek Online, etc.) So I find adapting to new Trek far easier than new Star Wars, because there is no cohesive old continuity you know is being overwritten.

Plus, as a big gamer, the Star Trek Online devs had stated they'll do what they can to change the game to fit Picard, so no complaints on lack of efforts from them. They already seamlessly wove in Discovery, a show that came out after the game was active for a few years.

 

[The Overlord]

It seems like the usual alt right reaction crowd is upset with this new tone too and are mad that this is different from TNG:

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I say bring it on.

 

[fireproof78]

Who the hell cares?

 

[The Overlord]

Who the hell cares?

That is fair, but I do like to mock these people. These people care too much over trivial nonsense.

 

[Armus]

It seems like the usual alt right reaction crowd is upset with this new tone too and are mad that this is different from TNG:

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I say bring it on.

Bring what on? An opinion different than yours? If someone makes an argument you disagree with you can always refute it.

 

[fireproof78]

That is fair, but I do like to mock these people. These people care too much over trivial nonsense.

So, Star Trek fans?

 

[NCC-73515]

these boycott people and a random kids pictures account spammed the picard twitter feed last night XD

 

[The Overlord]

So, Star Trek fans?

The average Star Trek fan is far less negative than the alt right's legion of professional complainers, who complain about this, cartoons aimed at kids like the new She-Ra not conforming to their sexist expectations or someone on the Daily Wire complaining about a woman wielding a heavy sword in the new Witcher series, even the most nitpicking Trek fan is more reasonable than these people and they deserve all the scorn they get.

Midnight's Edge claims to be fans, but there are mad about social commentary in a Star Trek series, these people are either really stupid or just liars.

Bring what on? An opinion different than yours? If someone makes an argument you disagree with you can always refute it.

There is little point in refuting people who engage in bad faith arguments, like these alt-right complainers.

I say bring a Picard series that has relevant social commentary, anyone who says politics has no place in Star Trek, does not understand this franchise.

 

[fireproof78]

The average Star Trek fan is far less negative than the alt right's legion of professional complainers,

 

[The Overlord]

I think you are being the naive one here, I would take the whinest, most nit-picking Trek fan over these alt-right trolls, any day, all day, easily, as long as they are not alt right. It's not even a contest, that's how much scorn I have for alt-right troll ''fanboys''.

 

[fireproof78]

I think you are being the naive one here, I would take the whinest, most nit-picking Trek fan over these alt-right trolls, any day, all day, easily, as long as they are not alt right. It's not even a contest, that's how much scorn I have for alt-right troll ''fanboys''.

I have been online long enough to know there are complainers of all shapes, colors and size in every corner of a group. The part I find laughable is that some how the alt-right has co-opted negativity.

You can have scorn all you want-doesn't affect me one way or the other. But, I have seen some extremely negative Star Trek fans and poisoning the discussion constantly against any sort of meaning.

 

[The Overlord]

I have been online long enough to know there are complainers of all shapes, colors and size in every corner of a group. The part I find laughable is that some how the alt-right has co-opted negativity.

You can have scorn all you want-doesn't affect me one way or the other. But, I have seen some extremely negative Star Trek fans and poisoning the discussion constantly against any sort of meaning.

There are alt right channels with names like "weaponize nerd rage" and use weaponized nerd rage to promote racism and sexism. Some of the alt right complaints about Discovery when it preimered were insanely racist and I think mocking these people can defang them, a lot of lefty channels do that.

 

[fireproof78]

There are alt right channels with names like "weaponize nerd rage" and use weaponized nerd rage to promote racism and sexism. Some of the alt right complaints about Discovery when it preimered were insanely racist and I think mocking these people can defang them, a lot of lefty channels do that.

Good for them...I guess...

I think mocking them just adds fuel to the fire and proves them right in their own wrong-headed thinking rather than defeating them. Regardless, my overall point was that Trek fans can be negative without being alt-right. That the two have found common ground is neither surprising nor that warrants attention. Let the Trek message speak for itself.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think mocking these people can defang them, a lot of lefty channels do that.

An old piece of Internet wisdom: Don't feed the trolls.

 

[fireproof78]

An old piece of Internet wisdom: Don't feed the trolls.

Exactly. I like this pearly from an old psychology professor of mine: