Spoilers Variety Article on Patrick Stewart's Return

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. Jayson1

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    I think the show will be against Brexit and to me that isn't bad but I don't know if it will be paper thin. I keep hearing good things. To me it isn't important for a show to not take sides so much as to make a good argument for the other side that feels authentic and understandable why people do something that might be wrong but they don't see it as wrong and also aren't just one note bad guys. If you have a racists character and the only definable trait with the character is his or her racism then that is a bad character. Unlike say Guy Dukat. He is racist,sexist and basically Hitler but he was also more. He loved his daughter. He felt the need to be loved even by the people he was abusing. He had a ego but also had a sense of humor as well. He also cared about Cardissa and his people to a point where he in essence became a freedom fighter against the Klingons.

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  2. BillJ

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    Doesn't sound like it will be any more political than something like "A Private Little War" or "The High Ground".
     
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  3. Armus

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    Those were standalone episodes that that didn't represent each series as a whole.

    A Private Little War made some statement against aiding civil wars to maintain a balance of power.

    The High Ground was a decent action show that tried too hard provide a message. I don't know what message it sent. I know it was banned in the UK for a reference to Ireland.
     
  4. F. King Daniel

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    So another "Private Little War", The Undiscovered Country, "The High Ground", Into Darkness etcetera etcetera.

    Star Trek: Paper thin allegories since '66.
     
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  5. Noname Given

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    So...classic Star Trek then...got it... :)
     
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  6. BillJ

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    Won’t be any different than Discovery’s paper thin political statements.
     
  7. fireproof78

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    Pretty much defines the show sometimes.
     
  8. Noname Given

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    Hahahahaha - in the 1960ies:

    - Having women serve as officers in a front line military ship involved in the defense of the Federation...

    - Having Caucasians, Orientals, Negroes, and off world aliens all working together (IE non-segregated); as well as full international cooperation on Earth; and stating no one worried or thought about others differences and that everyone had an equal chance, equal education regardless of their social or ethnic backgrounds...

    - Sexual orientation and gender not being an issue at all to anyone...

    WERE major political statements at that time - and still are today given the response I've seen to STD and casting in the current Star trek series; and the above underpins EVERY episode.
     
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    Gul Dukat is a great example of a multi-layered villain who can carry a show cause he's basically say at least 10 shades of gray. Emperor Georgiou on the other hand is just evil and vile. Granted, Dukat hat more time to grow though. I find Dukat much more charismatic as a villain than the Emperor. If the Picard villain is who spoilers say it is, I'm very excited!
     
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  10. BillJ

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    She gets better.
     
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    And it's possible she was raised to be like that and had to remain that way to keep her position. Still her past is so much worse than Dukat's...
     
  12. Lord Garth

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    It's fucking disturbing.
     
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    I've read lots of spoilers from those who've seen the first episodes and it sounds like the show isn't going to be the Brexit Trump political circle jerk I was expecting. There's a lot going on in this show that's very Star Trek it seems. Also the actress who plays Dahj said its not a political show and it's just holding up a mirror with options. So basically like the majority of times Star Trek used real world issues as allegories.

    Apart from that I'm reassured by the other things I've read about what's going to be happening in this show and I'm looking forward to seeing how things develop. Above politics and whatever else we're all divided on I just love the world of Star Trek and it seems like that's what we're getting for the most part with this show. Anticipation levels rising!
     
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  14. Greg Cox

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    Oh, please. Back in the 1960s there was no way to read that episode as being about anything other than Viet Nam. It was obvious to me even as a kid. It wasn't some vague, generalized statement about civil wars and the Prime Directive or whatever. Kirk and McCoy even reference Southeast Asia in the dialogue.

    Put the eps in the context of their times:

    "Conscience of the King" was about Nazi war criminals in hiding.
    "Mark of Gideon" was about the dangers of overpopulation.
    "The Enterprise Incident" was the Pueblo Incident with a happier ending.
    "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was transparently about the racial tensions of the 1960s, which were all over the nightly news when Trek first aired.
    "Errand of Mercy" was another Cold War analogy. Etc.

    Trust me, watching back then, there was no mistaking what they were really about.
     
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