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Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comments.
Best,
David Mack
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comments.
Best,
David Mack
Vanguard: Reap the Whirlwind
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I wanted to add my 2 cents about reap the whirlwind. I wont give out spoilers, but just wanted to say incredible novel, David! All the Vanguard books have been excellent. I finished this book after two days, talk about a rollercoaster of a ride! Cant wait for the next book. I assume the next vanguard book will be coming out in 2008?
I wanted to add my 2 cents about reap the whirlwind. I wont give out spoilers, but just wanted to say incredible novel, David! All the Vanguard books have been excellent. I finished this book after two days, talk about a rollercoaster of a ride! Cant wait for the next book. I assume the next vanguard book will be coming out in 2008?
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^From the looks of things, it seems as if it will be in '09.
^From the looks of things, it seems as if it will be in '09.
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^ What the turtle said.
^ What the turtle said.
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Well I am enjoying the book so far 1/3 in, and David definitely set the tone in the first book. The second one seemed to be a bit..."out of sorts" but the third book seems to fit in more naturally.
Like the DS9 in TOS era type of vibe that I'm getting so far. Unfortunately reading was put on hold on Thursday when my wife finished with Harry Potter. Should be back in the book early next week though
Well I am enjoying the book so far 1/3 in, and David definitely set the tone in the first book. The second one seemed to be a bit..."out of sorts" but the third book seems to fit in more naturally.
Like the DS9 in TOS era type of vibe that I'm getting so far. Unfortunately reading was put on hold on Thursday when my wife finished with Harry Potter. Should be back in the book early next week though
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Personally, I think that Summon The Thunder suffered a bit from "middle story syndrome". It had to build on what was previously established and set up resolutions without providing too many itself. StT works much better in the context of the series as a whole than as a stand-alone.
Personally, I think that Summon The Thunder suffered a bit from "middle story syndrome". It had to build on what was previously established and set up resolutions without providing too many itself. StT works much better in the context of the series as a whole than as a stand-alone.
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Ah, okay. I thought you were blaming Pocket for the torturously long wait between books, even though "long" is only relative (*insert example of other authors and other series here*). So, basically, you're blaming David Mack for writing a good novel - I think we can all live with that.
Ah, okay. I thought you were blaming Pocket for the torturously long wait between books, even though "long" is only relative (*insert example of other authors and other series here*). So, basically, you're blaming David Mack for writing a good novel - I think we can all live with that.
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When I read the second book, it's like it lost some of the momentum somehow. Someone else said "middle-story syndrome", but I found it to just have this feel that was a little "off" from the first book. The first one was a little bolder and in spite of some of the big reveals it didn't have the oommmf or wow factor for me that the first did.
To be honest I wasn't even paying attention to the change in authors (didn't really even notice until after I was done) and just felt the story didn't jump off the page and grab me the way that the first book did and the way that the third book started off.
When I read the second book, it's like it lost some of the momentum somehow. Someone else said "middle-story syndrome", but I found it to just have this feel that was a little "off" from the first book. The first one was a little bolder and in spite of some of the big reveals it didn't have the oommmf or wow factor for me that the first did.
To be honest I wasn't even paying attention to the change in authors (didn't really even notice until after I was done) and just felt the story didn't jump off the page and grab me the way that the first book did and the way that the third book started off.
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I too didn't care too much for Summon The Thunder. My preference leans more towards David Mack's style than Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore; at least in this series (of course, David's done two and they've only done one so far).
I think Ward and Dilmore did a fine job with the characters of Reyes, Fisher and Desai but not with the Shedi Wanderer. This is where I think Mack succeeded more. I felt that I never got a sense of the alien perspective/worldview of the Wanderer in StT and found myself dredging through those passages. In hindsight, perhaps it is middle-book syndrome in that they couldn't reveal too much too quickly.
I too didn't care too much for Summon The Thunder. My preference leans more towards David Mack's style than Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore; at least in this series (of course, David's done two and they've only done one so far).
I think Ward and Dilmore did a fine job with the characters of Reyes, Fisher and Desai but not with the Shedi Wanderer. This is where I think Mack succeeded more. I felt that I never got a sense of the alien perspective/worldview of the Wanderer in StT and found myself dredging through those passages. In hindsight, perhaps it is middle-book syndrome in that they couldn't reveal too much too quickly.
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How much of the "grand scheme" was shared between you writer dudes anyhow? That is, did Ward and Dilmore write on the basis of having read half of Harbinger, or having chatted with David over a morning raktajino, or having brainstormed the whole thing in days-long planning sessions where RtW was laid down in detail before StT was written?
The enjoyable New Earth series suffered quite a lot from the failure to share plans and intentions between the plot grandmaster Carey and her "assistant writers". Then again, it involved more people and had less of a time margin...
Timo Saloniemi
How much of the "grand scheme" was shared between you writer dudes anyhow? That is, did Ward and Dilmore write on the basis of having read half of Harbinger, or having chatted with David over a morning raktajino, or having brainstormed the whole thing in days-long planning sessions where RtW was laid down in detail before StT was written?
The enjoyable New Earth series suffered quite a lot from the failure to share plans and intentions between the plot grandmaster Carey and her "assistant writers". Then again, it involved more people and had less of a time margin...
Timo Saloniemi
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With editor Marco Palmieri, I developed a comprehensive series bible that detailed the principal and supporting characters, the major story arcs, and the key interpersonal relationships. It also established some points for tying the Vanguard series into the overall continuity of the original series and the first six movies.
As far as coordination between myself and Dayton & Kevin, they had the manuscript of Harbinger as soon as they were confirmed to write Summon the Thunder. Just after Harbinger was published, and before they started writing Summon the Thunder and the SCE eBook Distant Early Warning, we all sat down with Marco over a dinner meeting and discussed the long-term series narrative, some ideas I was working on for book three, and where the series could go after that.
When they began developing the story outline for book four, they checked in with me for my input, and I asked if they could set a few things "off to one side" for me to revisit at a later time. I've also been asked for my notes on another Vanguard-related item coming up soon from another author.
Through all of this, Marco functions like a TV "showrunner," making certain that everyone is in synch, that continuity is upheld, etc. So there is no shortage of communication or advance planning where the Vanguard series is concerned.
With editor Marco Palmieri, I developed a comprehensive series bible that detailed the principal and supporting characters, the major story arcs, and the key interpersonal relationships. It also established some points for tying the Vanguard series into the overall continuity of the original series and the first six movies.
As far as coordination between myself and Dayton & Kevin, they had the manuscript of Harbinger as soon as they were confirmed to write Summon the Thunder. Just after Harbinger was published, and before they started writing Summon the Thunder and the SCE eBook Distant Early Warning, we all sat down with Marco over a dinner meeting and discussed the long-term series narrative, some ideas I was working on for book three, and where the series could go after that.
When they began developing the story outline for book four, they checked in with me for my input, and I asked if they could set a few things "off to one side" for me to revisit at a later time. I've also been asked for my notes on another Vanguard-related item coming up soon from another author.
Through all of this, Marco functions like a TV "showrunner," making certain that everyone is in synch, that continuity is upheld, etc. So there is no shortage of communication or advance planning where the Vanguard series is concerned.
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Thanks for those cool details, David. It sounds like all of you have your act together.
I am a bit mystified about the "middle story" syndrome criticism of Summon the Thunder. For me, that book made a lot of the situation in the Taurus Reach come into clearer focus. All three Vanguard novels have left loose ends, and they all have progressed the story significantly. Maybe those comments will diminish once we have more than three books out there since the trilogy conception is deeply ingrained into the current fandom.
Thanks for those cool details, David. It sounds like all of you have your act together.
I am a bit mystified about the "middle story" syndrome criticism of Summon the Thunder. For me, that book made a lot of the situation in the Taurus Reach come into clearer focus. All three Vanguard novels have left loose ends, and they all have progressed the story significantly. Maybe those comments will diminish once we have more than three books out there since the trilogy conception is deeply ingrained into the current fandom.
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^ I hope you're right, Smiley. Vanguard was designed to be open-ended in some regards, and finite in others. There was a definite end-point in mind for the major elements of the story arc, but the overall concept is meant to be flexible enough that it can explore stories about its characters that are separate from the series' core arc.
I don't know yet what Dayton and Kevin are doing in book four (part of the fun of writing this series this way is that we keep springing surprises on each other as a kind of friendly challenge), but some of the hints they've dropped lead me to believe that it will be a departure from the kinds of stories that have been done so far in the series, in terms of its tone, scope and structure.
Onward and upward, as the saying goes.
^ I hope you're right, Smiley. Vanguard was designed to be open-ended in some regards, and finite in others. There was a definite end-point in mind for the major elements of the story arc, but the overall concept is meant to be flexible enough that it can explore stories about its characters that are separate from the series' core arc.
I don't know yet what Dayton and Kevin are doing in book four (part of the fun of writing this series this way is that we keep springing surprises on each other as a kind of friendly challenge), but some of the hints they've dropped lead me to believe that it will be a departure from the kinds of stories that have been done so far in the series, in terms of its tone, scope and structure.
Onward and upward, as the saying goes.
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David, I very much enjoyed RtW. I particularly liked the Cervantes Quinn "transformation" towards the end...and what T'Prynn did for him as a result of that.
Will you be doing annotations for this book on your website as you've done for some of your other works?
Looking forward to your "Destiny" trilogy big time.
David, I very much enjoyed RtW. I particularly liked the Cervantes Quinn "transformation" towards the end...and what T'Prynn did for him as a result of that.
Will you be doing annotations for this book on your website as you've done for some of your other works?
Looking forward to your "Destiny" trilogy big time.
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