Had to be Shelby's niece.
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Had to be Shelby's niece.
She reminded me more of Nechayev...
But yeah, I just wanted Kira to waltz in and show her how it's done....
She reminded me more of Nechayev...
But yeah, I just wanted Kira to waltz in and show her how it's done....
Maybe Shelby is Nachayev's niece!
Also, why would Starfleet use a Defiant class ship for a training vessel? Even in peace time, you'd expect an older, decommissioned ship to be used not a state of the art, overpowered warship.
This is complete speculation, but could it be that all (or most) of the older ships were pressed into service during the early years of the war and were subsequently damaged beyond repair, destroyed, or deployed to purely support (although vital) roles? And then Defiant class ships were the most useful for the time and quick to build?
of course not. i don't want to offend you since you obviously regard the military, and its special forces as admirable. just so much, thank god i don't have their innate abilities but a couple of my own, and i wouldn't want to switch them.
anyway, what innate abilities did red squad possess? i spotted a great talent to make the most severe judgement errors, and they were perfect in convincing themselves how good they are. what did i miss? i thought of valiant as an epsiode with an anti-militaristic message, because it's protagonists were quite incompetent. the battle with the small dominion ship lasted far too long considering the superiority of the defiant-class ship, the machinist had no idea how to fix the drive, the medic couldn't fix people, etc.
of course not. i don't want to offend you since you obviously regard the military, and its special forces as admirable. just so much, thank god i don't have their innate abilities but a couple of my own, and i wouldn't want to switch them.
Funny -- I spent a good amount of time crafting that reply in a non-offensive way. So this is what civility is like. (I spend WAY too much time in TNZ.
)On to the topic: I do regard special forces as admirable, but not because they're military, or even because they're elite. Rather, I regard them as admirable because of their commitment to excellence, and the abilities that commitment enables.
While the Valiant crew were considered to be elite, I think we tend to mistakenly view them as some kind of arrogant version of the fully commissioned, experienced, and battle hardened Defiant crew, and assign the blame for their failures on that arrogance (which is fueled by their elite title) and too little on their relative youth and inexperience. But the point should never be lost: they were elite cadets. Moreover, they weren't even all seniors. And that says nothing about the fact that the ship was severely undermanned.
It's a pity that we never had a chance to see what abilities their instructors saw -- and so chose to mold -- nor did we have an opportunity to see what fully trained and commissioned Red Squad veterans can really do.
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Yea the "pretend" First Officer was worse than Admiral Bitchayev, and that's saying something!
The actress who played her has done at least one nude scene, in case anyone wanted to know. 
Isn't it?
Not exactly. There are many important distinctions between the two that prevents Starfleet from being natural progression of the modern navy.
True but Trek itself isn't exactly a natural progression of our society anyway, only a dream of what we might wish the future to be. So that being said, shouldn't we still hold "Starfleet" as a modern but still fictional portrayal of space navy?
While within the Trek Universe itself, our "re-education" from the Vulcans made Earth bound mankind re-think our views on what "military" has become to mean.
See what I mean?
No, it's a space fleet set in the future, the driving mission of which seems to be to explore new worlds, seek out new life and go boldly where no one has gone before. Not really the primary tasks of the US Navy in the 21st century.
Sure, it's responsible for defence too, but it's as much NASA as it is the Navy.
Did you read my reply above?
Besides, with the "Millennium Gate" & "Eugenetics War"
I think we can safely say, that Trek isn't even directly connected to our Earth or Universe anymore.
You can say "EW" could have been a secret war but there is no way to cover up the "MG".
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well, i beg to differ. to master destruction and killing excellently is nothing admirable. the job of those guys should be to protect people who can't protect themselves, but what they actually do is anything but.
that would certainly be to doom other people to death or misery than themselves only, the moment of their demise was insofar chosen wisely. their arrogance explains everything, they were indoctrinated by starfleet that they are invincible and infallible, and religiously convinced that they are the good guys fighting for the just cause, which justifies any means they see fit. even the somewhat smarter nog fell in line with this propaganda.
coincidentally, scifi aired the tng episode "the first duty" today, "valiant" is a rather poor remake. you didn't watch it by any chance? i think picard defining the 1st duty of military personnel, to the truth, should be subject of a lecture to the military. that's where they lack excellence.
Did you read my reply above?
Sure, and I disagree. As I said, it's as much a logical progression of NASA as it is the Navy. It just annoys me when people complain about "inaccuracies" in Star Trek's depiction of Starfleet, based on their knowledge of serving in the US Navy.
Sorry but I disagree.Did you read my reply above?
Sure, and I disagree. As I said, it's as much a logical progression of NASA as it is the Navy. It just annoys me when people complain about "inaccuracies" in Star Trek's depiction of Starfleet, based on their knowledge of serving in the US Navy.
Once again, the Millennium Gate makes Trek in no way connected to our universe anymore. So as far as I'm conncerned, Starfleet can and is space Navy.
Oh, well that's a different point. "Space Navy" does stuff that contemporary navies don't, like explore and conduct scientific missions. I don't mind that definition, in fact it's pretty good.
It's people complaining that the writers made mistakes because they don't follow US Navy regulations in their episodes that annoy me, because it's a different organisation that does not use the same rule book.
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