I've felt that the old priest was always a V.
V: "Red Sky" 5/18/10 - Grading & Discussion
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I've felt that the old priest was always a V.
I've been thinking that way since the beginning of the season. Honestly, though, he wouldn't have to be a V to think that speech was nuts/racist/incoherent.
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Yeah, he's definitely a V. I've felt this way since day, well, one.
As for this episode, I highly enjoyed it, and rated it "Excellent".
As for this episode, I highly enjoyed it, and rated it "Excellent".
Agreed, 110 percent. It'll be real iffy if I'll invest more time with this reimagined version of "V." I'll probably give the next season three or four episodes to prove its mettle.
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I hope not. The story is supposed to be about how the Visitors are deceiving people into believing in them. Father Travis is supposed to represent those humans who are true believers, who fall for it hook, line, and sinker. It would really dumb things down if he turned out to have been an alien all along. I mean, what about the billions of other humans who, so we keep being told, love and revere the Visitors? Father Travis is the one recurring character we have who actually represents that group. (I don't count Chad Decker because he's been more directly approached as the Visitors' spokesman rather than just adoring them from afar, and because he's now come around to the resistance side.)
Of course, I wouldn't put it past the people in charge of the show to make such a poor story decision as revealing that Travis was a V all along. It's not like they've done anything else right.
This was my first "excellent" vote for the series and the first time I was actually entertained throughout. Sure, it had stupid shit popping up left and right, but it's mostly shit they've saddled themselves with the whole season and I can ignore it. They killed Val, who I hated, Lisa joined the heroes, Anna was great, Erica was hot, shit got blown up and people got burned down. I wasn't bothered by the sermon. The whole resistance chilling openly in the church was retarded, but whatever. And I wish the sky going red was an Independence Day-type sky burning as the whole fleet moves into attack position instead of a V-forming of the atmo, but either way, to have the main villain jump the gun after so much planning (whatever that plan might have been) was great.
I'll be happy to consider the whole first season a cheesy miniseries setup if the second season ups the ante and starts the actual war/occupation in earnest.
I'll be happy to consider the whole first season a cheesy miniseries setup if the second season ups the ante and starts the actual war/occupation in earnest.
I hope not. That would be clumsy and obvious (unlike the writing on this show so far).
The ominous red clouds will rain donuts! The latest amazing Visitor gift to humanity!
Because doing anything approaching real sci fi that isn't watered down for the masses will limit your audience so severely that it makes it hard to get it to work from an economic standpoint. Cable can afford to have smaller audiences because they get part of their revenues from subscriptions.
Yet, networks keep dabbling in sci fi. They generally mix it with a more network-friendly genre - police procedural or, more recently, family drama - in the hopes of appealing to more than just the sci fi audience.
Logic? What is this logic you speak of? There wasn't any...they painted a bullseye on their ship board allies and got them all skinned!
The Resistance is futile!
Yeah I figured. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. That was even more doltish writing than usual.
I like the donut-rain idea better!!! 
But because they can't just fire the actors who are playing V's, of course this won't happen. Frak knows what the writers plan to do instead or whether they ever plan to make sense of the emotions-vs-Bliss thing.
If (and it's a big if, because the logic of all this is completely unclear), V's are being "infected" with human emotion because of their human guise (something biological going on), then it's the biggest threat facing them and may render their current plan unworkable. Solution: shed their skins before the situation gets worse and kill any V who refuses to do likewise. It looks like Anna is jumping right into the stick phase of their carrot-and-stick strategy so the human skins are irrelevant now anyway.
But because they can't just fire the actors who are playing V's, of course this won't happen. Frak knows what the writers plan to do instead or whether they ever plan to make sense of the emotions-vs-Bliss thing.
I like the donut-rain idea better!!!
Solution: shed their skins before the situation gets worse and kill any V who refuses to do likewise.
But they would never do that for mostly budget reasons and they would be talking away from the actors like Morena. For fuck sake, they cant even show the dam V baby! Even in the original they showed the lizard baby (the twin one that died), the vfx sucked at the time but at least they showed it.
I thought Anna's breakdown at the end was unexpected & weird. Maybe Marcus(Right Hand Lizard) is gonna out her as being infected, ruining their plan & will try to takeover control from her, though I dont know how that would work if they are a queen led society. But that Marcus- he's planning something...
The raining donuts will just be the first part of their plan. The plan is called "The McDonald's plan." After the rain of Donuts, people will eat some of the fallen donuts and realize that they are the most amazing donuts they've ever had. They have been scientifically engineered to light up all the pleasure centers of the human brain. They are like the pleasure you get from eating a really awesome steak or a pizza while simultaneously receiving really good oral sex, but, insidiously, they have huge amounts of fat, sodium, and are about 8,000 calories a piece.
The Visitors build a restaurant in every town. These aren't your average fast food joints. The Visitor staff are all super hottie, sexy model types. When your kid gets a visitor meal, he gets some cool, hi-tech flying toy or some other alien technology. The kids beg to eat there everyday. Pretty soon the entire world population starts to resemble Fat Bastard from the Austin Powers movies or maybe the Blob from the Wolverine movie. The rotund population is infected with all sorts of health problems like diabetes and are unable to fight or even move(Don't worry about not getting your V-burger, they deliver). The Vs can take over at will and if they still want to eat humans then they have fattened the cattle for the feast.
The Visitors build a restaurant in every town. These aren't your average fast food joints. The Visitor staff are all super hottie, sexy model types. When your kid gets a visitor meal, he gets some cool, hi-tech flying toy or some other alien technology. The kids beg to eat there everyday. Pretty soon the entire world population starts to resemble Fat Bastard from the Austin Powers movies or maybe the Blob from the Wolverine movie. The rotund population is infected with all sorts of health problems like diabetes and are unable to fight or even move(Don't worry about not getting your V-burger, they deliver). The Vs can take over at will and if they still want to eat humans then they have fattened the cattle for the feast.
I liked it well enough. I can't argue with a lot of the criticism on this board, but I thought the finale was well paced and major stuff happened, so I was satisfied enough with it.
One of the things that did bother me was no explanation for the red sky. I don't think it would've killed them to explain exactly why this was a vengeful act on Anna's part. But new V has had a bad habit of not explaining why the Visitors are doing what they do, or why certain things are important. If the audience doesn't know the stakes, why should we care? I forgot how long the original miniseries was-ten hours?, but we pretty much got a good explanation of what the Visitors were, what they're goals were, and all that, way before the ending. And Season 1 of new V had to have been twice as long as the original miniseries and we still are left with too many questions.
I could see why Anna would want to kill Val and her baby at first, because they wanted to keep the true identity of the Vs secret, but we never really got a reason why, but we did get a reversal from Anna, though as one poster posited, perhaps keeping the baby alive is a way for Anna to influence/control Ryan. It would make sense that they keep the hybrid alive for research purposes too.
It also didn't make sense to me that the priest would send Decker to the medical lab, the priest pretty much tagged Joshua. And I agree with other criticizers about the lack of security aboard the ship, of the eggs not being guarded, or Erica avoiding suspicion after spending quite a bit of free time on the ship before she destroyed the eggs.
I also wish more had been done with the Erica v. Anna showdown. Two very powerful, committed to their causes, women facing off would've been cool. I wanted a lot of subtle jabs at the dinner, or something cool like the Klingon-Starfleet dinner in UDC or the dinner for Khan in Space Seed, where both sides are feeling each other out.
Anna screams real good and I'm curious about what role Marcus will play. He might be Fifth Column or planning a coup. That was unexpected.
I can't get too excited about all those space ships hovering on Earth's doorstep because I'm not sure what the Visitors game plan is. It appears to me that Anna is trying to make humans dependent on the Vs, perhaps trying to expand or replenish subjects for her Bliss, but human emotion must compete with it or interfere with it? Perhaps it leads to greater free will. If she's trying to engender devotion it makes no sense that they bring in the muscle like that. Plus, I think the ships that already arrived are way more than enough. I think V stacked the deck far too much in the Visitors favor too early, with all of those starships in addition to the ones already on Earth.
I hope next season we get a name for the Vs-I agree with others that its stupid that they would call themselves Vs, or that no one has asked Ryan what are their names, what is their culture(s), religion(s), history, etc. And I hope we get some more V characters, perhaps competitors. And more of a look into V society.
I think it was a mistake as well to make Anna the main leader. Plus, having humans call her "Commander" was too martial. They should've gone with something like Prime Minister, Minister, Secretary General, something that sounded less ominous.
One of the things that did bother me was no explanation for the red sky. I don't think it would've killed them to explain exactly why this was a vengeful act on Anna's part. But new V has had a bad habit of not explaining why the Visitors are doing what they do, or why certain things are important. If the audience doesn't know the stakes, why should we care? I forgot how long the original miniseries was-ten hours?, but we pretty much got a good explanation of what the Visitors were, what they're goals were, and all that, way before the ending. And Season 1 of new V had to have been twice as long as the original miniseries and we still are left with too many questions.
I could see why Anna would want to kill Val and her baby at first, because they wanted to keep the true identity of the Vs secret, but we never really got a reason why, but we did get a reversal from Anna, though as one poster posited, perhaps keeping the baby alive is a way for Anna to influence/control Ryan. It would make sense that they keep the hybrid alive for research purposes too.
It also didn't make sense to me that the priest would send Decker to the medical lab, the priest pretty much tagged Joshua. And I agree with other criticizers about the lack of security aboard the ship, of the eggs not being guarded, or Erica avoiding suspicion after spending quite a bit of free time on the ship before she destroyed the eggs.
I also wish more had been done with the Erica v. Anna showdown. Two very powerful, committed to their causes, women facing off would've been cool. I wanted a lot of subtle jabs at the dinner, or something cool like the Klingon-Starfleet dinner in UDC or the dinner for Khan in Space Seed, where both sides are feeling each other out.
Anna screams real good and I'm curious about what role Marcus will play. He might be Fifth Column or planning a coup. That was unexpected.
I can't get too excited about all those space ships hovering on Earth's doorstep because I'm not sure what the Visitors game plan is. It appears to me that Anna is trying to make humans dependent on the Vs, perhaps trying to expand or replenish subjects for her Bliss, but human emotion must compete with it or interfere with it? Perhaps it leads to greater free will. If she's trying to engender devotion it makes no sense that they bring in the muscle like that. Plus, I think the ships that already arrived are way more than enough. I think V stacked the deck far too much in the Visitors favor too early, with all of those starships in addition to the ones already on Earth.
I hope next season we get a name for the Vs-I agree with others that its stupid that they would call themselves Vs, or that no one has asked Ryan what are their names, what is their culture(s), religion(s), history, etc. And I hope we get some more V characters, perhaps competitors. And more of a look into V society.
I think it was a mistake as well to make Anna the main leader. Plus, having humans call her "Commander" was too martial. They should've gone with something like Prime Minister, Minister, Secretary General, something that sounded less ominous.
Did someone tamper with a toaster and go back in time.. that would be right out of the Simpsons
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The original miniseries was four hours. Its sequel was six hours. The two are often treated as a single whole (they were novelized together, for instance), but the sequel was taken out of Kenneth Johnson's control and turned into something very different from what he'd conceived, so I think it should be treated as a separate work.
Well, it's twelve episodes, so only slightly longer than the first two miniseries put together. (And broken into blocks of 4 hours and 8 hours, while the original two miniseries were 4 hours and 6 hours. Never thought of that before. It's not like they have anything else in common.)
As I recall, what Anna said when she first learned about the baby was that a half-human, half-Visitor child would be dangerous to them, probably because it would infect the gene pool with "human emotion," as they insist on calling it. But it wasn't made much clearer than that.
Yeah. The Erica-Anna scenes last week were the only good scenes in this whole damn series (aside from the "Bliss" scene at the end of episode 4), and I was hoping it was a sign that the series was finally getting its act together. Instead we get this incoherent mess.
Yep, that's the impression I got, that the Fifth Column are able to resist the Bliss because of their emotions. Ryan said that without his connection to Val anchoring him, he felt more vulnerable to the Bliss.
Exactly my complaint all along. The kind of subtle manipulation and infiltration the Visitors use here makes no sense when they've got such an overwhelming advantage. They're more the sort of thing you use when your enemy is powerful enough to pose a threat to you, requiring you to operate more subtly to undermine them. It's just incongruous.
Checkmate
Commodore
Apparently, some low ranked FBI agent is vital to Anna's plans for having all humanity at her beck and call. And without Erica at her side, all shall fall. So to get her on her side, she had her daughter seduce Erica's son. Because in reptile brain matter, that all makes perfect fucking sense.